Interesting discussion with its meanderings on Anger. I've always been intrigued by the actual life of Bill W with its full human messiness, even when he was sober and exploring LSD and infidelity to his deathbed wish for some whiskey and channeling the monk Boniface, not the hagiography of AA. Then I read that Gary worked personally with him for over a decade. What a small world. Of course AA should be judged on its works, not its founder's quirks. It has saved many.
I'm going to "abstain" from this particular discussion except to note that Gary's line that most of us have had some experience with an alcoholic shows just how serious this problem still remains. My feelings are very complex on this issue having lost my little brother to alcoholic behavior over twenty years ago as well as my own excessive indulgence in my late twenties. Eric's "man Up" approach worked just fine for me, but apparently it does not for the majority. I wish I had the answer. DavidCPA continues to amaze me with the depth of his kindness and goodness.
Keep the Faith
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