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#169727 08-22-2013 06:17 PM
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Did anyone manage to follow an anti-cancer diet during treatment? I'd like to minimize dairy and avoid meat and added sugar. I'm not sure how realistic that will be when calorie- and protein-dense liquids are all I can manage.

Just to be totally contrary by the way, I plan a blow-out at the best steak joint in the City before treatment. smile Trismus will have me cutting my filet into itsy bits, and it will take me 2 hours to eat, but I'll wash it down with a fine Pinot and no regrets.


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T3N2aM0 HPV+
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No. I could not eat for many months in the hospital. and was just on IV due to dysphasia, thrush, trismus, face, mouth and digestive tract burns, and lost 110lbs. Then was on a peg for another 10 months or so, and all that was just from chemo, which effects were worse than radiation. I could not eat many foods, most which nauseated me, burned my mouth, made me vomit, choke.

I follow no diet, but most my food is homemade, fresh. and I was just happy to eat and Taste food, which is extensive now, and was able to gain back 60 of the 110 pounds I lost in a few weeks, like two, but took me almost 4 years todo that. When doing treatment, it's best to advise with a nutritionist, dietician before dieting due to all tithe extra nutrients needed, including water, protein. so you don't want to be deficient in any, and it may not be the best time, unless something is dangerous like drinking, smoking, something too much excess. Just eat healthy in portion size controls for you based on the calculations of height, weight, BMI. Stomach, wrist measurement.

I'm with you on the steak! I had a 16oz ribeye, creamed spinach, garlic and sour cream, mashed potatoes, which I cooked, when I was leaving for treatment the next day.

The things you mentioned, lactic acid, sugar, are reportedly mentioned by some places as causing cancers, but is untrue, according to major medical centers and groups.


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I'm a vegetarian and lay very low on dairy too - I eat minimal sugar and flour.. smile


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During treatment, chem-rads, I went to a heavy protein diet using whey protein powder and making many protein shakes and drinks. This worked especially well when the radiation side effects started putting the hurt on eating orally. don


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Excessive protein can cause a hardship on the organs, especially the kidneys, which has to eliminate the ketones in the urine, and can also cause dehydration from the frequency, so that should be watched. I say adequate protein based on your needs, and excess nutrients also feeds cancer, so I say adequate with that too, which differs in everyone.


10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil
11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp
01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks
06/11 30 HBO
08/11 RND PNI
06/12 SND PNI LVI
08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy
10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux
10/13 SND
10/13 TBO/Angiograph
10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI
12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo
11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO
03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN
09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy
04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site
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It can be hard on you - during treatment though you need extra protein. I am a veg head so I have a protein power shake in the morning and that way I am good to go if I don't get enough in my regular meals... smile


Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
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You will know when you have too much protein. The pancreas will have problems too. Extra protein is good but some type of exercise or motion keeps muscles feeding off it. For strenuous activity 1 gm/1lb of body weight. For little or none half that max.

Lipids are an important piece in nerve function. Lack of lipids creates more neuropathies. Things Ike avocados gives good lipids and lots of potassium which helps nerves after trauma. Nut butters in your smoothies, too. Vegan is good if you balance protein and potassium and carbs during treatment. I believe you will feel better and heal better.

Give me that ribeye though. Good red juicy meat!i Gave away my grill and buy 10 pounds of corn fed shaved choice ribeye in 1 lb packages. Cheesesteaks, Shabu-Shabu, sukiyaki, guy-don...all beef dishes.


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[quote]Give me that ribeye though. Good red juicy meat!i Gave away my grill and buy 10 pounds of corn fed shaved choice ribeye in 1 lb packages. Cheesesteaks, Shabu-Shabu, sukiyaki, guy-don...all beef dishes.[/quote]Dude, You are the man! We gotta swap sukiyaki sauce recipes. :-)

And gotta love that quality thin sliced ribeye - go protein - go fat. hey you only live once.

As to the protein supplement. In practice, it is quite hard to get anywhere near a gram per pound daily. Even half that is like 3-4 ounces of protein powder. And by the time you mix and dilute to go down smoothly, it is rarely an issue.

I only bring it up as the benefits of protein outweigh the potential of overdoing it. In fact, I can not recollect a single post where someone reported overdoing protein during tx or post-tx period. don


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Male, 57 - Great health except C
Dec '12
DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes
1 tooth out
Jan '13
2nd tooth out
Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT
4-6/2013
CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150
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"Cheesesteaks"

I'm originally from Philly/S Jersey... Tony Luke's in S Philly... "da best!" cheesesteaks! Shaved rib eye cooked with a little extra virgin olive oil, so tender it almost melts in your mouth. Crystalline jewels of fried onions, real Italian sharp provolone that smells like your dad's stinky feet, all on a fresh baked Amoroso roll with a crust so crisp you can practically cut your mouth on it!

It can make even the dryest of dry mouth produce drool wink
Whenever I head up there to visit family I get my cheesesteak fix. Although I'll have to abstain from the hots on the side for now.

"T"


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Cardiac stents 10/2012
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Selective Neck Dissection/Lingual Tonsillectomy/biopsies TORS 2/7/13
Emergency Surgery/Bleeding 2/18/13
3/13/2013 30rads/6chemo
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Okay, somehow this "anti-cancer nutrition" thread has devolved into the Cattlemen's Recipe Exchange. smile


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T3N2aM0 HPV+
5/26/13 discovered painless superball-sized lymph node in neck
6/26/13 DX SCC R palatine tonsil
7/16/13 TORS tonsillectomy & selective ND, mets to 2 nodes
9/3/13 Cisplatin and rads begin, tolerated 1.5 of 3 planned chemo doses
10/16/13 Treatment ends
Dec 13 Ulcer appears at surgery site
Jan 17 Biopsy -- no cancer!
Feb 17 CT/PET Scan lights up tonsil bed & nasal cavity, docs say probably inflammation, don't panic, rescan when ulcer subsides
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