| Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 262 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 262 | Did anyone manage to follow an anti-cancer diet during treatment? I'd like to minimize dairy and avoid meat and added sugar. I'm not sure how realistic that will be when calorie- and protein-dense liquids are all I can manage. Just to be totally contrary by the way, I plan a blow-out at the best steak joint in the City before treatment.  Trismus will have me cutting my filet into itsy bits, and it will take me 2 hours to eat, but I'll wash it down with a fine Pinot and no regrets.
53 T3N2aM0 HPV+ 5/26/13 discovered painless superball-sized lymph node in neck 6/26/13 DX SCC R palatine tonsil 7/16/13 TORS tonsillectomy & selective ND, mets to 2 nodes 9/3/13 Cisplatin and rads begin, tolerated 1.5 of 3 planned chemo doses 10/16/13 Treatment ends Dec 13 Ulcer appears at surgery site Jan 17 Biopsy -- no cancer! Feb 17 CT/PET Scan lights up tonsil bed & nasal cavity, docs say probably inflammation, don't panic, rescan when ulcer subsides
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | No. I could not eat for many months in the hospital. and was just on IV due to dysphasia, thrush, trismus, face, mouth and digestive tract burns, and lost 110lbs. Then was on a peg for another 10 months or so, and all that was just from chemo, which effects were worse than radiation. I could not eat many foods, most which nauseated me, burned my mouth, made me vomit, choke.
I follow no diet, but most my food is homemade, fresh. and I was just happy to eat and Taste food, which is extensive now, and was able to gain back 60 of the 110 pounds I lost in a few weeks, like two, but took me almost 4 years todo that. When doing treatment, it's best to advise with a nutritionist, dietician before dieting due to all tithe extra nutrients needed, including water, protein. so you don't want to be deficient in any, and it may not be the best time, unless something is dangerous like drinking, smoking, something too much excess. Just eat healthy in portion size controls for you based on the calculations of height, weight, BMI. Stomach, wrist measurement.
I'm with you on the steak! I had a 16oz ribeye, creamed spinach, garlic and sour cream, mashed potatoes, which I cooked, when I was leaving for treatment the next day.
The things you mentioned, lactic acid, sugar, are reportedly mentioned by some places as causing cancers, but is untrue, according to major medical centers and groups.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 | I'm a vegetarian and lay very low on dairy too - I eat minimal sugar and flour..
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 | During treatment, chem-rads, I went to a heavy protein diet using whey protein powder and making many protein shakes and drinks. This worked especially well when the radiation side effects started putting the hurt on eating orally. don
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | Excessive protein can cause a hardship on the organs, especially the kidneys, which has to eliminate the ketones in the urine, and can also cause dehydration from the frequency, so that should be watched. I say adequate protein based on your needs, and excess nutrients also feeds cancer, so I say adequate with that too, which differs in everyone.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 | It can be hard on you - during treatment though you need extra protein. I am a veg head so I have a protein power shake in the morning and that way I am good to go if I don't get enough in my regular meals...
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | You will know when you have too much protein. The pancreas will have problems too. Extra protein is good but some type of exercise or motion keeps muscles feeding off it. For strenuous activity 1 gm/1lb of body weight. For little or none half that max.
Lipids are an important piece in nerve function. Lack of lipids creates more neuropathies. Things Ike avocados gives good lipids and lots of potassium which helps nerves after trauma. Nut butters in your smoothies, too. Vegan is good if you balance protein and potassium and carbs during treatment. I believe you will feel better and heal better.
Give me that ribeye though. Good red juicy meat!i Gave away my grill and buy 10 pounds of corn fed shaved choice ribeye in 1 lb packages. Cheesesteaks, Shabu-Shabu, sukiyaki, guy-don...all beef dishes.
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
| | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 | [quote]Give me that ribeye though. Good red juicy meat!i Gave away my grill and buy 10 pounds of corn fed shaved choice ribeye in 1 lb packages. Cheesesteaks, Shabu-Shabu, sukiyaki, guy-don...all beef dishes.[/quote]Dude, You are the man! We gotta swap sukiyaki sauce recipes. :-)
And gotta love that quality thin sliced ribeye - go protein - go fat. hey you only live once.
As to the protein supplement. In practice, it is quite hard to get anywhere near a gram per pound daily. Even half that is like 3-4 ounces of protein powder. And by the time you mix and dilute to go down smoothly, it is rarely an issue.
I only bring it up as the benefits of protein outweigh the potential of overdoing it. In fact, I can not recollect a single post where someone reported overdoing protein during tx or post-tx period. don
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 421 Likes: 1 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 421 Likes: 1 | "Cheesesteaks" I'm originally from Philly/S Jersey... Tony Luke's in S Philly... "da best!" cheesesteaks! Shaved rib eye cooked with a little extra virgin olive oil, so tender it almost melts in your mouth. Crystalline jewels of fried onions, real Italian sharp provolone that smells like your dad's stinky feet, all on a fresh baked Amoroso roll with a crust so crisp you can practically cut your mouth on it! It can make even the dryest of dry mouth produce drool  Whenever I head up there to visit family I get my cheesesteak fix. Although I'll have to abstain from the hots on the side for now. "T"
57 Cardiac bypass 11/07 Cardiac stents 10/2012 Dx'd 11/30/2012 Tx N2b MO Stage IV HPV+ Palatine Tonsillectomy/Biopsies 12-21-12 Selective Neck Dissection/Lingual Tonsillectomy/biopsies TORS 2/7/13 Emergency Surgery/Bleeding 2/18/13 3/13/2013 30rads/6chemo Finished Tx 4/24/13 NED Since
| | | | Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 262 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 262 | Okay, somehow this "anti-cancer nutrition" thread has devolved into the Cattlemen's Recipe Exchange. 
53 T3N2aM0 HPV+ 5/26/13 discovered painless superball-sized lymph node in neck 6/26/13 DX SCC R palatine tonsil 7/16/13 TORS tonsillectomy & selective ND, mets to 2 nodes 9/3/13 Cisplatin and rads begin, tolerated 1.5 of 3 planned chemo doses 10/16/13 Treatment ends Dec 13 Ulcer appears at surgery site Jan 17 Biopsy -- no cancer! Feb 17 CT/PET Scan lights up tonsil bed & nasal cavity, docs say probably inflammation, don't panic, rescan when ulcer subsides
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