Precisely... ;o) If your terminal, or like my dad - have lost the will to live and in pain - it makes sense (he was bed ridden, with no chance of going home ever as my stepmom couldn't handle him alone or even with a nurse's help). He had had a severe stroke followed by a broken hip - courtesy of the rehab center he was at - The stroke was first and he was recovering enough to go home with a wheel chair and very independent - but he fell two weeks before he was due to be released and from that point on it was downhill. His speech, ability to eat, outlook, all of that was severely compromised as they had to change his anticoagulants to operate and he had another small stroke. Then they sent him to a complex care facility to try and get him up to rehabilitation standards - and they were brutal there. He ended up malnourished and dehydrated, and wasting. Up to that point he had no dnr so when he came down with pneumonia they first checked ( content to let him die if he had a DNR rather than provide basic medical care ) if he had a DNR then sent him to emerge - he improved remarkably at a regular hospital. After he was released and sent back to the facility they asked us to sign a dnr, we did - not a good idea. I had told them repeatedly when he returned from emerge, that he still had pneumonia - I heard the distinctive rattle and I was only with him one hour a day - they were with him all the time and were content to do nothing - they finally called the dr. at MINE and my stepmom's request - but I was told NO he didn't have pneumonia. Less that a week later we insisted he have a chest xray. and sure enough the day he died - literally 15 minutes after - they came to us with the results - he'd had severe pneumonia. They were idiots, and the care pathetic. They chose to let him die rather than treat a basic illness. A DNR means no extreme life saving measures. basic medication is NOT an extreme measure, just basic care. It's like saying ooops - he cut himself shaving but he has a DNR so we'll just let him bleed out...

urg... sorry
still pissed I guess, it was only a few months ago.
hugs all