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#83003 10-27-2008 08:38 AM
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I have been following this web site for months, while my husband underwent treatment. During that time, I was too stressed and busy to register or post. I want to thank all who do post and answer questions. The info and support has been very helpful.

My husband is now 6 weeks post tx. He is improving but it is all still very difficult, especially the continuing mouth sores, swelling on one side, and thick mucus, alternating with dry mouth. Continues on PEG tube feedings (2 Cal). Recently increased oral diet from clear fluids to puree soups, etc.

Thinking about trying to restart fluoride tx. Trays were made and used prior to rad but stopped due to gagging/burning during tx. I have seen different recommendations for fluoride strength. SPOHNC publication: stannous flouide 0.4% or neutral sodium flouide 5,000 parts per million. Our dentist gave my husband GC MI Paste Plus, sodium flouride 0.2% W/W (900 ppm).
Any comments?

Also, I am considering a dental consult at Dana-Faber, where we went for second opinion, prior to starting rad/chemo at local cancer center. We do not have a dentist specializing in OC in our area. Anyone have experience/comments with this?


My main two questions:
(1) Anything to do for mouth sore inside swollen cheek area that is not healing (other than usual recommendations of baking soda sol, numbing/coating agents, etc.)?

(2) Correct fluoirde strength for dental trays?

Thank you very much, Travelottie


CG to husband, dx @ age 65, nonsmoker/social drinker. Dx 5/08 SCC Stage IV, BOT T1N2aM0. 33 IMRT - completed 9/12/08. Induction Chemo (Cisplatin, Taxotere & 5FU), plus concurrent Cisplatin.
1/09 PEG removed; 5/09 neg PET/CT; 5/10 PET/CT NED
Dental extraction & HBOT 2013; ORN 2014; Debridement/Tissue Transfer & HBOT 2016
travelottie #83008 10-27-2008 01:23 PM
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My dentist prescribed 1.1% fluoride (Prevident).


Age 67 1/2
Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05
Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08
Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08
Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06
Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08)
Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08)
On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
Pete D #83014 10-27-2008 02:33 PM
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Yes 1.1% for me as well and I started using the trays 1 month before my Tx started; used them almost every day during Tx and have used them every day post Tx. My dentist recommends I use them forever unless something else better comes along.


David

Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Thank you Pete.

Is Prevident a toothpaste or used in dental trays?


CG to husband, dx @ age 65, nonsmoker/social drinker. Dx 5/08 SCC Stage IV, BOT T1N2aM0. 33 IMRT - completed 9/12/08. Induction Chemo (Cisplatin, Taxotere & 5FU), plus concurrent Cisplatin.
1/09 PEG removed; 5/09 neg PET/CT; 5/10 PET/CT NED
Dental extraction & HBOT 2013; ORN 2014; Debridement/Tissue Transfer & HBOT 2016
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They have both but get the one for use in the trays.


David

Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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My prosthodontis INSISTS I use the .4% Stannus fluoride rather than the 1.1% sodium flourides. Says the stannus fluoride is stronger. Problem is the stannus fluoride stains my teeth worse than my 3 pack a day habit ever did.

Jerry, Mike,
What's your view on this? I'm serious thinking of switching. My teeth are all capped anyway so it is only exposed root by the gum that is really getting treated. What brand do you guys recommend to patients and is it prescription?

Thanks.
Eileen


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Aug 1997 unknown primary, Stage III
mets to 1 lymph node in neck; rt ND, 36 XRT rad
Aug 2001 tiny tumor on larynx, Stage I total laryngectomy; left ND
June 5, 2010 dx early stage breast cancer
June 9, 2011 SCC 1.5 cm hypo pharynx, 70% P-16 positive, no mets, Stage I
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I had been on the 1.1% sodium fluoride, and recently switched doctors and was put on the 0.4% stannous fluoride. I've also noticed increased staining of my teeth. I'm also on chlorhexidine oral rinse (half strength) which causes staining of teeth. Other then frequent cleanings is there anything else that helps with the staining. I go for a check-up and cleaning every 2-3 months.

Travelottie, in answer to your question about mouth sores. I've had numerous bouts of mouth sores since my RT in 2006. That is one reason I using the chlorhexidine oral rinse. I�ve also use another mouth rinse called �magic mouthwash� that was prescribed by my doctor. Magic mouthwash is a compound of various medications. Also had prolonged swelling and was put on prednisone (steroid) for a while.







Susan

SCC R-Lateral tongue, T1N0M0
Age 47 at Dx, non-smoker, casual drinker, HPV-
Surgery: June 2005
RT: Feb-Apr 2006
HBOT: 45 in 2008; 30 in 2013; 30 in 2022 -> Total 105!
Recurrence/Surgeries: Jan & Apr 2010
Biopsy 2/2011: Moderate dysplasia
Surgery 4/2011: Mild dysplasia
Dental issues: 2013-2022 (ORN)
Susan2992 #83057 10-28-2008 01:06 AM
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I was on the 0.4% stannous fluoride through TX and due to really bad staining the prosthodontis switched me to the 1.1% sodium fluoride.

Likewise I would like to know the difference since at the time I didn't think to ask.


Don
TXN2bM0 Stage IVa SCC-Occult Primary
FNA 6/6/08-SCC in node<2cm
PET/CT 6/19/08-SCC in 2nd node<1cm
HiRes CT 6/21/08
Exploratory,Tonsillectomy(benign),Right SND 6/23/08
PEG 7/3/08-11/6/08
35 TomoTherapy 7/16/08-9/04/08 No Chemo
Clear PET/CT 11/15/08, 5/15/09, 5/28/10, 7/8/11

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Hopefully, we will still get a more detailed explanation from one of the dentists on board.

Susan - I've made note of the chlorhexidine.

That's interesting about the prednisone. Was it for neck or facial swelling? I'm starting to worry about the buccal sore (RO nurse says it's not an ulcer) and swelling that has stopped improving. It is affecting my husband's ability to increase his diet. He is using magic mouthwash and gel claire for the discomfort.




CG to husband, dx @ age 65, nonsmoker/social drinker. Dx 5/08 SCC Stage IV, BOT T1N2aM0. 33 IMRT - completed 9/12/08. Induction Chemo (Cisplatin, Taxotere & 5FU), plus concurrent Cisplatin.
1/09 PEG removed; 5/09 neg PET/CT; 5/10 PET/CT NED
Dental extraction & HBOT 2013; ORN 2014; Debridement/Tissue Transfer & HBOT 2016
travelottie #83098 10-28-2008 03:25 PM
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Be careful of the Chlorhexidine -- It can also stain teeth (Dentist took one glance in my mouth and asked if I was using the stuf) and there are two kinds -- One with ALCOHOL and one without.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chlorhexidine_gluconate


Age 67 1/2
Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05
Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08
Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08
Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06
Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08)
Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08)
On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
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