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DuffyMo #151023 06-19-2012 06:54 AM
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It was my MO who insisted that I get a PEG. I got it before I statrted any treatments. I hated the thing but was glad to have it. You do have to keep swallowing, though, and I did that by drinking water a lot. I also had the three "big" doses of cisplatin, spaced throughout my radiation treatments. I saw three doctors; my ENT who did the surgery, my RO, and my MO who prescribed the chemo, and kept an eye on my bloodwork. I also had a port for my chemo, which my MO also wanted me to have, so I wouldn't have "chemo veins".


Female, nonsmoker, 70, diag. 5/09 after tongue biopsy: stage IV. Left hemi-gloss. and left selec. neck disec. 30 lymph nodes removed May 20. Over 7 weeks daily rads. with three chemo. PEG removed 12/4/09 Am eating mostly soft foods. Back to work 11/09 Retired 4/1/11. 7 clear scans! Port out 9/11. 2/13. It's back: base of tongue, very invasive
surgery involving lifestyle changes. 2/14: Now speaking w/Passey-Muir valve. Considering a swallow study. Grateful to be alive.
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Yes, Something I can support your RO and husband on 100%
I was so focused on the Erbitux, I missed the line in your post that your RO was exactly like my RO on the Peg.
The apparently innocent question by a new poster:
"Should I get a PEG" set off two (three?) major "PEG wars" here on OCF in the past. No surprise that I was not only a fiery combatant but also poured gasoline onto the blaze, as I responded tit for tat to the pegophiles.
After rational discussion set in, it turned out that almost everyone involved was echoing the perspective of their RO.
Some poster's ROs made PEGs mandatory, most poster's ROs just urged it strongly, and a minority had ROs like mine and your husband whose standard was no PEG until and unless necessary. Amazing how each subset of patients conformed to their RO's expectations in how they fared
For what it's worth, I had no PEG and never once needed hydration nor any IVs nor did I have any adverse complications. A year after TX I took my wife on a Victory (in hindsight a little premature) tour of Rome & Venice and I ate every type of delicious Italian food with no problems nor restrictions on it being "easy" or "soft".
We've had peace on the forum with a consensus that getting a PEG is a personal decision for each patient with no right or wrong answer .
Now that I am on lifetime feeding tube, my feeling is that unless the patient has strong psychological motivation to avoid a PEG, with the concomitant psychological boost when he/she gets thru without one, and the support of their RO, it is clearly easier to get a PEG since you can always get swallowing therapy afterwards if the PEG does cause swallowing problems.
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65 yr Old Frack
Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+
2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG
2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery
25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin
Apaghia /G button
2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa
40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin

Passed away 4-29-13
DuffyMo #151027 06-19-2012 07:00 AM
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wow Charm...a post about PEG Tubes and you have a balanced and diplomatic post about it...did I sleep too long and wake up in 2017?? laugh

Sorry brother had to say it! hahahaha

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Young Frack, SCC T4N2M0, Cisplatin,35+ rads,ND, RT Mandiblectomy w fibular free flap, facial paralysis, "He who has a "why" to live can bear with almost any "how"." -Nietzche "WARNING" PG-13 due to Sarcasm & WAY too much attitude, interact at your own risk.
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Actually I read a couple of NewCharm's posts today and I'm wondering if someone else is posting under his name while he's tied to a chair. smile


David

Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Duffy writes:

"and the RO said �if it were him� he would enroll and hope to get the Erbitux arm."

This was also the attitude of my doctor buddies - one from a neurologist standpoint having had to treat neuropathy and other side effects of platinum-based therapy, and the other a pediatric oncologist standpoint. The cetuximab is a gamble, but the cispatin is a gamble, too.

The one question I would ask about now is whether or not there is any radiological evidence of matted lymph nodes. If there isn't, that's great. If there is, the followup question would be if any change in protocol should be considered in light of that fact. Here is a link to one of the forum stories on it: http://oralcancernews.org/wp/new-me...throat-cancer-to-other-body-parts-found/

Remember, this is a SMALL study and the prognostic value of the matted nodes may not be very accurate for the population as a whole.

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CG to husband - SCC Tonsil T1N2M0 HPV+ Never Smoker
First symptoms 7/2010, DX 12/2010
TX 40 IRMT (1.8 gy) + 10 Cetuximab
PET Scans 6/2011 + 3/2012 clear, 5 year physical exam clear; chest CT's clear of cancer. On thyroid pills. Life is good.
DuffyMo #151032 06-19-2012 09:33 AM
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David, I may have to call Bev after reading that insight and see if they haven't been taken hostage!


Young Frack, SCC T4N2M0, Cisplatin,35+ rads,ND, RT Mandiblectomy w fibular free flap, facial paralysis, "He who has a "why" to live can bear with almost any "how"." -Nietzche "WARNING" PG-13 due to Sarcasm & WAY too much attitude, interact at your own risk.
samkl #151041 06-19-2012 01:01 PM
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Eric & David

Very funny guys. Although Bev did take my temperature wink
Just doing a lot more yoga - even decided to replace my 40 year old mantra with a kinder gentler one
[quote]Strength in Body, Peace in Mind, Love in Heart [/quote]
My old one was:
[quote]I am a sacrificial flame in the fiery will of God[/quote]
We will see how this lasts once someone pokes me or advocates woo woo medicine or links to nonsense.

Charm


65 yr Old Frack
Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+
2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG
2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery
25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin
Apaghia /G button
2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa
40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin

Passed away 4-29-13
DuffyMo #151042 06-19-2012 01:46 PM
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Well the IRS tried that Kinder Gentler approach a few years back but I guess most of their employees have forgotten about it now.

An old saying goes "An indulgence that allevates stress is often a better choice that an sacrifice that creates tension." So Charm don't harm yourself by trying to be someone you're not genetically disposed to be. lol


David

Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Thanks, Charm, for the references�finally tracked it down. I was able to get at least to the abstracts of the studies referenced by Dr. Jimeno. Am still digesting those, as I have to filter through the medical jargon to get the gist of what I can understand!!

Yes, Kathy, I refer to my RO only because we have not been able to get in touch with the MO to meet with him yet! We and the RO�s staff have been calling them to try to set up an appointment. Maybe he will give us a different opinion on the PEG or feeding tube. I certainly will keep your advice in mind.

It also helps to hear you-all think Dr. Gillison is top notch and that a study with her name on it should be �what�s the word�not safe, but with good chance of a good outcome. My husband went over and signed the papers today to enroll in the trial, after much deliberation. I think we are both comfortable as we can be with the decision.

Thank you again for the input.


Caregiver & Wife to Husband age 61 Dx 06/08/12
Stage IV BOT Cancer T3N2cM0
Non-smoker, light drinker
Tx ended 8/27/12. 35 doses rad + 2 Cisplatin doses 3 weeks apart. PET/CT scan 10/24/12 - NED BOT. 2 small hot spots, one one on each side in lymph nodes deemed to be result of Tx at this point.
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I don't have much to add to the discussion here, but I would like people to know that OCF is a funder of RTOG1016 (part of your donations at work), and purchased and disseminated 100 iPads preprogrammed with a questionnaire that all patients enrolled in the clinical trial will be filling out regularly during their treatment visits. OCF is trying to access the quality of life of patients during and after treatments regardless of which arm of the trial they are in. Most of us know here that QOL in patients is a grossly over looked piece of the puzzle. Improving that starts with gathering data on what the experience is really like in an objective manner, not heard second had from treatment facilities, but as expressed by the patients themselves.

As others have said, working on a trial that has Dr. Gillison's participation is very taxing but fulfilling. She is driven to find the answers, and OCF and I a proud to be working on our 9th investigation with her as participants, recruiters, funders, and data compilers. I am particularly eager for this trial to be filled completely so the data faucet will begin to flow.

For those that have been through it Cisplatin treatment is not walk in the park, and this is a first look if a less toxic monoclonal antibody will have the same clinical end results when replacing it.


Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant.
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