| Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 126 Senior Member (100+ posts) | OP Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 126 | Hi All,
I just wanted to vent a little and see if anyone has any advice! I have returned to work recently, and have really been feeling down about my speech. I have been through a lot, and I am very grateful to be alive, but I am so self-conscious about my speech and just don't know what to do. I am in a client-service industry, so I am speaking to and meeting different people all the time. I know when I am talking, even if people are understanding me, they are sitting there wondering what is wrong with my speech. I don't mind at all telling people that I had cancer, but it is always awkward to bring up and I haven't quite mastered that. I usually say something along the lines of "sorry if you have any trouble understanding me, I had oral surgery recently", but then people usually always ask what happened and I have to go into the whole story. I had slightly over half of my tongue removed and reconstructed, and I was just wondering if others with my surgery also feel like this, and if it ever gets better. I went to speech therapy for about 3 months after radiation, but I really feel like I hit a plateau and there was not much more that could be done. It has been 7 months since surgery, and I am just wondering if this is as good as it will get? Assuming the cancer doesn't come back, am I going to have to be explaining to everyone I meet for the next 60 years why I speak like this?
I will be meeting with my plastic surgeon in a few weeks, and I am hoping to see if there is anything else he can do to help me improve. Don't get my wrong, I am usually pretty understandable, but if I am in a loud place, or there is background noise, or I have words that I can't pronounce (typically ones that have a lot of "L's" or "Th's"), people have difficulty understanding me and the anxiety sets in.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Emily
Emily - 24 years old at diagnosis HPV-, no risk factors T2N2b Squamous Cell Carcinoma Left oral tongue, poorly differentiated Hemiglossectamy, reconstruction, partial neck dissection 30 Radiation treatments, weekly chemo (cisplatin) 1/13/12 last day of treatment Diagnosed October 2011
| | | | Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 493 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 493 | Emily, I still have some issues with my speech and I am nearly three years out. My speech is very good some days, and others not so much. I have the most problems talking on the phone. My family and friends say that they don't have trouble understanding me, but I am self-conscious about it. It's almost if I have a lisp. I notice that when I am tired and have been talking more than usual it is worse. Before I retired I was the Director of a small public library system, and my position required me to speak to groups from time to time. We also had a library levy on the ballot and that required me to talk to a lot of groups as well. I find that drinking a lot of water does help. You are not too far out of treatment, so it will get better with time.
Female, nonsmoker, 70, diag. 5/09 after tongue biopsy: stage IV. Left hemi-gloss. and left selec. neck disec. 30 lymph nodes removed May 20. Over 7 weeks daily rads. with three chemo. PEG removed 12/4/09 Am eating mostly soft foods. Back to work 11/09 Retired 4/1/11. 7 clear scans! Port out 9/11. 2/13. It's back: base of tongue, very invasive surgery involving lifestyle changes. 2/14: Now speaking w/Passey-Muir valve. Considering a swallow study. Grateful to be alive.
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | Agreed - I find my speech can be affected by certain foods and the way I sleep as well. Though most days it's pretty good. Hugs you'll get better once your old tongue builds up some muscles...
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | A speech therapist can help you with this. Ive seen many people go to one of them and it has helped them tremendously.
As far as explanations, you dont own anybody anything. Im sure you are being self conscious and your speech is alot better than you think. You dont need to disclose your medical history to anyone, especially at your job. I wouldnt say a word if it were me. Speaking used to be what I did for a living but I wasnt able to do my old job anymore after my 3rd round of OC. This was mainly due to my mind not being quick enough to keep up with everything, my speech was secondary to why I left my job.
If you must say something, make it very brief and then drop it by talking about another topic. If anyone questions you then just politely say you prefer not to discuss the details. Some insensitive people still may question you then just say "its not anything to do with _____ , which is more important right now"(whatever your topic of discussion was). What you said was perfect about having oral surgery recently and then just move on to whatever you needed to talk about. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | Emily
I feel for you. I was extremely articulate before the surgery, so much so that "normal" people seemed to me to be slow and plodding in their speech. Three months of speech therapy was a good start, but are you still doing the speech exercises and word lists at home? A few refresher sessions with a good speech therapist really works wonders. Still, there are limits on what a butchered tongue can do. My surgeon & my prosthodontist both tell me that there will be zero "muscle growth" on my tongue since the wrist flap skin transplant had no muscle and they had to cut out the muscular base of tongue to get rid of my cancer. But with practice my speech has gotten better for person to person. I am still very very hard to understand on the phone and cannot get any voice recognition prompts on automated systems to work.
Because I am so self conscious that I sound like I had a brain damaging stroke or else was born "special", I do make it a point to say upfront: [quote]They cut out part of my tongue and made me a new one: but it does not work as well as the Original Manufacturer's Equipment. [/quote] That usually elicts a laugh but no further questions due to the ick factor of the mental image in the listener's mind of a tongue being cut out plus the indirect reference to God balancing it out. I found it helps people then listen to the content of what I am saying rather than get distracted by how I am saying it.
I agree with everyone that just tincture of time and continual speaking will improve your speech. Keep the Faith Charm
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65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 945 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 945 | Emily -
[quote]Assuming the cancer doesn't come back, am I going to have to be explaining to everyone I meet for the next 60 years why I speak like this? [/quote]
Well, maybe, but when you're eighty-four you may have a cane to smack rude people with, so it can do the talking for you. I think that Charm's approach is probably pretty effective - a brief description of the problem that does not invite additional inquiry. You might add a statement that thanks the client in advance for their understanding (but don't apologize !!!).
If you think about it, there are lots of people walking around who wouldn't (as we horse people say) pass a vet check. I have a limp from my auto-immune crap that emerges when I am tired or have walked on uneven ground (catching my horse). I also feel badly when people call me on it. Since I am not as nice a person as you, I threaten to show them my hip xray, and say that if they see it they would be impressed I can walk at all.
My very best wishes to you, and {hugs} for all the times when it gets you down. When you are a feisty old lady in a purple hat, you will look back with pride with your bravery and perservence in handling the hard times in your youth!
CG to husband - SCC Tonsil T1N2M0 HPV+ Never Smoker First symptoms 7/2010, DX 12/2010 TX 40 IRMT (1.8 gy) + 10 Cetuximab PET Scans 6/2011 + 3/2012 clear, 5 year physical exam clear; chest CT's clear of cancer. On thyroid pills. Life is good.
| | | | Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,844 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,844 | Hi Emily! Honey you are in the right place for advice and support on this topic! Our speech is generally one of the prices we pay for survival my dear so I no longer get frustrated when conveying the "why" my speech is affected now. I grew up with a massive speech impediment, so bad that my older brother had to interpret for me Kindergarten through 2nd grade. I was in intensive speech therapy for six years before I got to a place where I could speak clearly and the incessant ridicule eased up a bit. I can still hear kids running around mocking me yelling "No deew oah wabbits pathing by!" (no deer or rabbits passing by)the infamous line from my third grade school play. I conquered my speech and insecurity issues after that and went on to use my speaking prowess to become successful in my careers in corporate America in both the hospitality industry and commercial technology sales to enterprise size businesses. You can imagine my mental and emotional state after treatment and surgeries becoming disfigured due to the right side of my face being paralyzed (as well as half of my tongue) when my career was built on how I looked and sounded as much as my expertise. Today part of my duties volunteering for OCF involves public speaking at the Awareness Walks, addressing hundreds of people, building partnerships with other organizations and even presenting at Universities. Coincidentally fellow OCF'r JenSLP (a speech and language pathologist) and myself just presented to the University of Washington's Speech and Language Pathology graduate students this last Friday concerning working with the new younger demographic of Oral Cancer patients. The fact that myself and Jen could present to that class and be clearly understood is a testament to how hard we've both worked and how closely we've worked with our speech pathologists, they truly are an important part of our recovery in both the eating and speech department. I would also share that I'm very upfront with people when speaking with them about being a stageIV oral cancer survivor. That information has always given me an "edge" in talking with people, it generally makes people more patient and understanding of my speech issues and usually gives me an advantage in getting what I want Long story short Emily, keep working, vent when you need to and draw strength from the other survivors on these forums my dear. Hope that helps, Eric
Young Frack, SCC T4N2M0, Cisplatin,35+ rads,ND, RT Mandiblectomy w fibular free flap, facial paralysis, "He who has a "why" to live can bear with almost any "how"." -Nietzche "WARNING" PG-13 due to Sarcasm & WAY too much attitude, interact at your own risk.
| | | | Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 126 Senior Member (100+ posts) | OP Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 126 | Thanks for all of the advice! I started telling my clients right off the bat yesterday at work, and it made me feel much less self-conscious when talking after that. One person even had a father who died of throat cancer, which made it much easier to talk about! Hugs to you all, hopefully it continues to get easier!
Emily - 24 years old at diagnosis HPV-, no risk factors T2N2b Squamous Cell Carcinoma Left oral tongue, poorly differentiated Hemiglossectamy, reconstruction, partial neck dissection 30 Radiation treatments, weekly chemo (cisplatin) 1/13/12 last day of treatment Diagnosed October 2011
| | | | Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 43 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 43 | Emily, With each surgery to remove another recurrence, I loose a little more of my ability to speak and eat. I work in the biomedical industry and speaking and teaching are an intregal part of my job. I know that after my last surgery this may where another piece of the right base of my oral tongue was removed, my speech it thicker and it's harder to form the words that came easily just months before. I do worry about my return to work not only because of the speech difficulty but also for the fact that I can only speak for a moderat period of time before my mouth gets tired and I start slurring anyways. I think I will try some more speech therapy but this is starting to dwelt like a lack of tissue problem, not a motor Problem now.
Type and stage of cancer:1st - SCC left base of oral tongue non HPV, T3N1M0 hemi-glossectomy 60 node rem, radX35 carboplatnum &Erbitux X6, Peg tube, lost 55 lbs 2nd - SCC right base oral tongue, surgery, Cisplatin & Erbitux x 16 3rd - SCC right base oral tongue, surgery, hope. | | | | Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 126 Senior Member (100+ posts) | OP Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 126 | Hi Erik, I am sorry to hear you are having speech issues also - it is definitely frustrating! I know I am so fortunate that I am suffering from so few side effects at this point, but the speech issue is still a constant cause of anxiety every day. I am traveling for work every week for the next few months, so I am on a hiatus from speech therapy. I also feel like my problem is more of a lack of tissue problem, but we will see. By the way, how old were you when you were first diagnosed? I am not going to lie, your signature scares me a bit as it seems you had similar treatment to me your first go-around. I hope both of our speeches improve soon and you can return to work!
Emily - 24 years old at diagnosis HPV-, no risk factors T2N2b Squamous Cell Carcinoma Left oral tongue, poorly differentiated Hemiglossectamy, reconstruction, partial neck dissection 30 Radiation treatments, weekly chemo (cisplatin) 1/13/12 last day of treatment Diagnosed October 2011
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