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I am a physician who had been diagnosed with throat cancer four years ago. I very much appreciate the care and support I received from my family, However, I personally experienced the great strain and challenges they faced in caring for me. I realized that there is a need to highlight and improve the attention given to care givers of patients with cancer.

Being a care giver for a loved one with a serious illness such as head and neck cancer is very difficult. It can be extremely hard to watch their loved one suffer especially if there is little that they can do to reverse the illness. It can be physically and emotionally very taxing. Care givers should, however, realize how important is what they are doing even when they get no or little appreciation.

Care givers often fear the potential death of their loved one and life without them. This can be very anxiety provoking and depressive. Some cope by refusing to accept the diagnosis of cancer and believe that their loved ones illness is less serious in nature.

Care givers often sacrifice their own well being and needs to accommodate those of the person they care for. They often have to calm down their loved one�s fears and support them despite being often the target of their vented anger, frustrations and anxieties. These frustrations may be exaggerated in those with head and neck cancer who have often difficulties in expressing themselves verbally. Care givers frequently suppress their own feelings and hide their own emotions so as not to upset the sick person. All of this is very taxing and difficult.

It is very useful for the patient and their care givers to openly and honestly talk to each other sharing their feelings, worries, and aspiration. This may be more difficult in those who have difficulties in speaking. Jointly meeting the health care providers allows for better communication and facilitates shared decision making.

Unfortunately the well being of care givers is frequently ignored as all the attention is focused on the sick individual. It is essential, however, that the needs of the care givers are not ignore. Getting physical and emotional support through friends, family, support groups, and mental health professionals can be very helpful for the care giver. Professional counseling can be an individual or joint one with other family members and or the patient. They should find time for themselves to �recharge� their own batteries. Having time dedicated to their own needs can help them continue to be a source of support and strength for their loved ones.

Itzhak Brook MD

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The only thing anyone (including medical professionals and friends - we have no family) ever said to me was "now make sure you look after yourself". I would just look at them and reply, "Yeah? When?" I'm still reeling from the fallout (physical and emotional) of being the sole caregiver. I was regarded as a nuisance by the medical professionals and expected to just shut up while they were dealing with Gordon, who was so bombed on painkillers that he could hardly string a sentence together, which he would try to do when he wasn't hallucinating.
Elianne.


Anne - CG to Gordon (59), non-smoker/non-drinker. SCC, BOT, HPV 16+, stage 3. Jan./10 - radical neck dissection to remove 48 lymph nodes, 1 node pos. Apr. 23/10 - finished 35 rad. and 3 cisplatin. Jul. 22/10 - PET scan clear.
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Dr Brook,

FYI, today, at my monthly OC support group meeting, there was a "display" copy of your book on the table with a sticky note listing your blog site.

Great support group meeting, we got to spend three hours with a H&N RO.

Lots of good info on IMRT planning (RapidArc, SmartArc, Tomo, IM-Proton, Cyberknife). Good discussion about HPV+ along with recurrence issues and options such as IMRT re-treatment and Cyberknife.

Good Chemo/RT discussions. He also spoke about acupuncture, and nutrition issues.


Don
TXN2bM0 Stage IVa SCC-Occult Primary
FNA 6/6/08-SCC in node<2cm
PET/CT 6/19/08-SCC in 2nd node<1cm
HiRes CT 6/21/08
Exploratory,Tonsillectomy(benign),Right SND 6/23/08
PEG 7/3/08-11/6/08
35 TomoTherapy 7/16/08-9/04/08 No Chemo
Clear PET/CT 11/15/08, 5/15/09, 5/28/10, 7/8/11

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Don,
I was pleased to hear that my book "My voice- a physician's personal experience with throat cancer" was displayed in your monthly support group meeting. I hope that the members of your group found it helpful. For those interested in reading it, it is available to be read on my blog at http://dribrook.blogspot.com/
I will be happy to hear your input after reading my book.

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Thanks for this post. As a caregiver I am going through a hard time now. Feel I don't have support and am looked at as if I am crazy that I need it when a family member is recovering from this disease. How selfish am I?
I am now not talking to my sister over things that this disease has done emotionally to both of us. I can't tell anyone my issues though because they look at me like I have two heads for complaining about how I feel or about things that have been effected in my life. It is very difficult and I feel all alone. Flat left actually. Our fight was pretty bad to and I don't see it being resolved anytime soon. To much Anger on both our parts. Its a shame this disease can do this also. It has torn my family apart.


CG to Sister (42). Smoker quit @ diagnosis Dx 4/20/10 SCC T2N0M0, Rside of tongue Hemigloss R neck dis, all nodes removed 6/2/10, Trach and NG in, home 6/8/10,8/18/2010 start erbitux x6, 30 IMRT end 10/11/10 with only 3x erbitux due to reaction and one week off of rads
1/10/2011 Clear PET!!!
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I can relate to this post also. I had one person as my support network when Steve went through treatment (my mum). I come from a large family and am the youngest of 5 children but still only had 1 person to support me while I supported Steve through everything. I am eternally grateful to my mum. Without her and ocf I wouldn't have made it as well as I did, which means Steve would have suffered more. The reason's I get passed onto me why no one ever visited or still visits is "they don't know how to cope with it". When I have tried in the past to talk to one particular person about my fears of losing Steve all I get every time is "we all die one day". I have given up and now talk to no one other than my mum or ocf members. I have never felt so truly alone since all of this began.

I feel everytime I try to talk to other people I am just being a whinger. So I don't talk about it anymore. When Steve was diagnosed we sold up and moved closer to family for support. Well not only did we walk away from our home, our jobs and great friends but we came to a place where we were literaly abandoned upon arrival even though before arriving we were promised all kinds of support. And all I ever feel now from people is "shouldn't you be over this by now" kind of feeling's. They don't say it outright but you just know that's what they are thinking. Not only am I constantly worried about Steve but I'm also grieving for a very happy life that I had to give up. Don't get me wrong I'm extremely grateful that I have Steve here and he is going so well and that's all that really matters in the end but it's still very hard to have your life turned upside down and then be expected not to show that it has affected you. Being a care giver is damn hard, especially when you are promised so much support only to be abandoned by those that you loved. But it makes us care givers tough, that's for sure.

On a recent trip home to see our friends I was extremely touched by 2 friends that actually thought to ask me how I was and how I had coped with everything we have been through over the last 2 years. Everyone asked about Steve and how he was (which is fair enough) but only 2 actually thought of how this may have affected me.


Wife to Steve 43. DX 5 May 09. T4N2MO SCC tongue, floor of mouth, lymph nodes & jaw bone
No surgery
Teeth removed 06/07/2009
radiation 13/07/2009 x 7wks
chemo 15/07/2009 x 3 Cisplatin
last TX 28/08/2009
25/11/2009 PET-lymph node activity.
08/01/2010 CT Scan-ALL CLEAR
03/03/2010-Peg removed
01/2013 left side of Jaw removed and replaced with pectoral flap.
23/12/2020 scan show lesion in tongue
01/2021 SCC stage 3 base of tongue diagnosed
01/03/2021 chemotherapy started.
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Susan and Wendy especially (et al),

After seeing both sides of the equation, I hear what you are saying. I saw my mother literally disown my sister when she was living with her while my mother battled ovarian cancer. It took almost a year before they even spoke to each other. The caregiver is the real unsung hero and even when you have homecare nurses coming regularly, all they say is YOU must find respite care for yourself so you can help your loved one better. Yet, as you know, when you get out there, nobody fills that void. My wife used to trek across the medical campus to get soup for many at the chemo area partly to just get away. Then anger in the midst, as I call it, abounds and nobody really enjoys being the patient or the caregiver.

Many of the feelings we develop during the worst of times are things we develop. Never assume others are thinking anything and take care of your mental health above all. This nasty cancer world has a tendency to allow the million what-ifs to flourish. When we narrow it down to the real "what-are's" we often find that focusing on the facts and what is going on and shutting out the endless possibilities frees up a lot of time we spend on worrying. When we feel we cannot do that, there is absolutely nothing wrong with seeking the help of a professional that is trained in addressing this and helping us resolve the things that eat at us. I strongly urge you to address this with the social worker where your loved one is being treated and they will help direct you where you can best be served. Never think you are being a pain to those treating your loved ones or yourself. The average person does not know what to say to the patient or caregiver so they just say something and hope it was right. Often it is not. Never feel you are whining but find someone that can truly ask you and be prepared to listen to what you really have to say.

If you like, send me your phone number (PM please, not here) and I will call and you can unload until you feel better. I spend a lot of time with patients but more importantly, I spend a lot of time with caregivers as I believe they are provided adequate support by most people. I have to warn you in advance, though, I am a trained volunteer hospital Chaplain, a Stephen Minister and a Lay Paster so my slant is toward religion although I also spend time with atheists and agnostics so I can tone it down if you prefer. The important thing is that you be able to release those frustrations and the anger for yourself first and your loved one as a consequence.

Be proud of what you do because it is really the toughest job and one of thhe most important!

Ed


SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0
Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation
Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03
Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08.
Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11
Cervical Myelitis 09/12
Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12
Dysautonomia 11/12
Hospice care 09/12-01/13.
COPD 01/14
Intermittent CHF 6/15
Feeding tube NPO 03/16
VFI 12/2016
ORN 12/2017
Cardiac Event 06/2018
Bilateral VFI 01/2021
Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022
Bilateral VFI 05/2022
Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
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There are many sides, faces, colors, etc to cancer in general. I can't say survivor or caregiver...which is worse~~~~ They both rate up there in the 5x:( scale to me. Yes caregivers need to take time for themselves but that is often, if not always impossible. There is always something to "take care" of. I have always listened to everyone's advice, keeping in mind "they don't have a clue". People don't realize because they never had to experience it, THANK GOD!!!

When my husband was first diagnosed in 2001 I was 34 years old and at that time the internet was not what it is today!!! I educated myself the best way I could. I wish I found this site years ago but still glad I found it.

Doc, I'm glad you are mentioning the flaws of the physicians, nurses, etc. I worked in the medical field for many years and am in a hospital. Not as an RN but am now in the maintenance department but did work as a unit secretary. I go to work each day knowing both sides of a hospital and work accordingly. I never want to hear a patient went without something that could have been fixed. I remember walking into my husbands room the day after one of his surgery and his TV was not on BUT they turned on his phone!!!! Hello he has a trach, he's not blind!!!! Another case of people, medical professionals included, not knowing......


CG
01 SCC LBOT 42YO-part gloss 5 mo rad
03 recur RSCC gloss & R Jaw removed
05 recur LSCC
07 recur RSCC recon R jaw fm left fib
09 recur LSCC gloss & LL jaw. recon fm rt fib
7/10 inoperable.TrachPEG-carbo/taxol
11/11/10 ca back begin erbitux
12/11/10 passed away in sleep - at peace at last!! XOXO
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In my 8 months as a caregiver i found my one overiding thought used to be "i wonder how he feels?".I found being robins carer and advocate was easy in terms of practical matters as i was a qualified nurse and it was my area of expertise.I just immersed myself in facts and information as i felt the more knowledge i had the easier it would be.
This is in fact a double edged sword as knowledge is power but it is also the cause of much distress and heartbreak.Doctors words are interpreted and understood with all their ramifications and it was difficult sometimes to sugar coat the truth when robin asked,and also difficult to hold the truth when he didn't.
The hard part is the previously unseen emotions that cancer brings with it,and how to deal with them.Nobody but the person with cancer knows how it feels to be given the news you have the disease,no matter how hard we carers try to stand in your shoes ,we can't..We try so very hard but it doesn't work,and we have to deal with the "its not your cancer its mine" scenario,which can end up being destructive and frustrating.Becoming the target of aggression anger, frustration, fear, rejection, withdrawal,submission,confrontation,desperation,failure,and despair.

For the carer left behind,these feelings unfortunately continue long after they are left alone and are added to by the what ifs and why's.For the lucky survivors they may recede to be replaced by anxiety and fear of return, frustration at the the slowness of recovery,and the abilities and appearence that may never return.

Who can say which is worst?.who's journey is harder who's feelings more or less important?Its a minefield,and we all have to find our way through it with the least amount of damage.

OCF is a bit like the soldiers who diffuse those mines,and we march on hoping we don't step on one.


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Husband Robin aged 44 years Dx 8th Dec 2006 poorly differentiated SCC tongue with met to neck T1N2cM0 Surgery and Radiation.Finished TX April 2007
Recurrence June/07 died July 29th/07.

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Well put Liz. I couldn't have said it better.

Christine


CG to my husband, Matt. Dx June 2009 Stage IV Oropharengeal SCC right tonsil primary with distant metastases. Rad to neck- Surgeries to lungs- Every avail chemo - ran out of options Jan 2012, called for hospice help Feb 2012, at rest March 19, 2012.
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