Appology accepted "old frack"! Just so you know.....I agree with you on the shady way the do conduct business, however one must understand that it is the personal representitive that proposes the offer not the company. I completely understand that I have to make a minimum order every month as it was explained thouroghly to me but can easily see how somebody can lie about it to get them signed up. Just like the car business....Everyone hates car salesman and when I sold cars I had to work so hard to earn my customers trust because some idiot prior to me lied or was a jerk to them. It should have no effect on the dealership or brand of vehicle BUT it definitely does. Of course I was not going to agree with you since I felt you personally attacked me for no reason...lol hense the "stubborn ass italian" Ha I even went back and read old post that I started and you chimed in on to see if you were always an ass! haha! Yes we will become better friends cause of this. I was a golden glove boxer in philly trust me I know exactly what you are talking about hitting each other on the arm harder.....lol we took it to the extreme and sit around now laughing about it! See how are arguement turned into a history lesson as well! Guys Virginia may have been the south....they may have originated the south!!! Its 2009.....Virginia is not the south anymore! I cant believe nobody here is from GA, SC, TN or AL getting fired up about this....lol! My good friend is from SC born and raised, southern draw (makes the best BBQ, collard greens, cornbread you ever had!) I sent him a text asking about Virginia...he laughed and said yea its the south in high school text books! Haha! Im just a dumb "yank" I dont know! I do know the Eagles are gonna stomp a man sized hole in the bucs ass next week!! Have a great weekend YA'LL