#94824 05-02-2009 06:55 PM | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | OP Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 | I was asked a question today by PM, and answered it, but decided the info also belongs here on the open forum.
QUOTE My PEG has been clogging in the outer part and I have been able to unplug it, but since it has been in for almost a year they want to replace it Monday. When they replace the PEG will they have to totally sedate me? My airway is very constricted now and they can not get the tubes down it anymore which would mean a trach. I have a call in to the doc also - but I like to be as informed as possible. I thought that you might know since you have had one switched before. END QUOTE
I've never had one switched (I took one out several times to clean it, but that was 'unofficial', of course!). I've had three, but they were all new from the start.
I am considering having mine switched to the Mic-Key low profile one, so I was thinking about that myself. Looking at the YouTube video, putting a Mic-Key into an existing hole seems easy, with the balloon being inflated after it's in with a syringe and water (In fact, I'll probably ask to do it myself). A lot might depend on what you have now, that is, does it have a balloon (The skinny one I had didn't; it just slid out, depending on length and some curves for retention) and whether the balloon is inflatable/deflatable (My other two have non-deflatable 'donuts' on the end and are the 'just yank it out' kind.
The Doc is going to be your best bet for that info.
If they are going to sedate you, they will have to tell you beforehand so you can arrange for someone to drive you home afterwards. In my case, the sedation was something like Rohypnol (aka Roofie) by injection by the Doc, not a full-bore anesthesiologist undertaking, however, a new placement involved an endoscope down my throat.
Age 67 1/2 Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05 Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08 Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08 Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06 Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08) Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08) On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
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Hope you are going well and you have not had any additional problems with the flap.
My airway has been severely damaged from radiotherapy so it was decided by the anethestists prior to my last surgery to debulk my tongue flap that they would put some sort of a tube thing via my nose and down my throat that way.(I can't remember the name of it)
One nostril was numbed with lots of spray before they actually put me out to it and then stuck the tube in my nose - just in case there were any difficulties with my breathing during the procedure.
Karen
46 yrs: Apr 07-SCC 80% entire tongue removed,T4N1M0 Neck/D,Jaw Split, Trache 2 ops,PEG 3.5yrs 30 x rad,6 x Cisplatin, 30 x HBO Apr'08- flap Recon + ORN Mandibulectomy (hip bone to reconstruct jaw) Oct'08 1 Plate out-jaw Mar'09 Debulk flap Sep'09/Jan&Nov'10/Feb&Jun'11/Jan&Jul'12/Oct'13/April'14-More surgery
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Karen, thats the same way as I am knocked out for surgeries. I have severe trismus and cant open my mouth wide enough for anestesia. Here I think they call it something like twilight sedation but not sure. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 489 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 489 | I am glad that you decided to post this on the open forum. I don't think as clearly right now with the pain meds and the fever and should have probably put it out there myself.
Christine I hope that you are correct about the twighlight method. I found some info on another site about PEG replacement that would indicate that the twightlight sleep is what they will do. Right now my fever is up to 101 so I don't know if they will do the switch or not.
I would welcome any one else's experience with having their PEG replaced. I was hoping that I would be at the point in my life where I would be having the PEG removed now, not replaced so that I can use it longer.
Patty
48 SCC Floor of Mouth 7/06 9/06 Surgery, bilateral neck dissection, 58 nodes clear PT2pN0pMx 35 rad 2006 Recurred 6/08, 1 Carboplatin, 1 Cisplatin Surgery 9/08 - Total glossectomy, free flap from pectoral muscle, left mandible replaced using fibula 35 IMRT & Erbitux 11/08 4/15/09 recurrence 6/1/09 passed away, rest in peace
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Good luck tomorrow and I sure hope your fever goes away so you feel better. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 489 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 489 | Christine
I had a heart procedure once using the twighlight procedure. It was a catheter procedure and it was interesting to be awake and watching them move a catheter around inside my heart. I will know tomorrow - I was just hoping that someone had already had their tube switched and I would feel a little more confident about the procedure tonight. I'm not the most patient person sometimes. LOL
Patty
48 SCC Floor of Mouth 7/06 9/06 Surgery, bilateral neck dissection, 58 nodes clear PT2pN0pMx 35 rad 2006 Recurred 6/08, 1 Carboplatin, 1 Cisplatin Surgery 9/08 - Total glossectomy, free flap from pectoral muscle, left mandible replaced using fibula 35 IMRT & Erbitux 11/08 4/15/09 recurrence 6/1/09 passed away, rest in peace
| | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | OP Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 | I think the big thing with the twilight is that the PEG doc can administer it and doesn't need services of a full-bore anesthesiologist to do the procedure.
Age 67 1/2 Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05 Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08 Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08 Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06 Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08) Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08) On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
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IV in hand with fenatyl drip is likely for switching out a PEG even if it has to be done the hard non edoscopic way like mine. After all my fussing about never getting a PEG, when I finally did get one, it only lasted four weeks as it turned out to be defective and leaked. I was conscious during the operation but felt no pain. Relax and it will be over before you know it Best wishes Charm 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 489 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 489 | Charm and Pete that is exactly what I wanted to hear!! I just know that they can't get a tube in my airway anymore and with all of this other swelling becuase of the lovely infection it would be a real mess.
I just would like a tube that worked more reliably again since it would appear that I will have it for a little while longer.
I am very lucky to have you guys on my team. Thank you.
Patty
48 SCC Floor of Mouth 7/06 9/06 Surgery, bilateral neck dissection, 58 nodes clear PT2pN0pMx 35 rad 2006 Recurred 6/08, 1 Carboplatin, 1 Cisplatin Surgery 9/08 - Total glossectomy, free flap from pectoral muscle, left mandible replaced using fibula 35 IMRT & Erbitux 11/08 4/15/09 recurrence 6/1/09 passed away, rest in peace
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