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#92998 04-01-2009 12:35 PM
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I know that everyone is different, I am just curious though.

I have read on several forums how people are healing so well after surgery and are even starting to eat soft foods.

My mom had her surgery in November and takes nothing orally.


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Mom 48 diagnosed Sep 08 Stage IV SCC
full glossectomy, neck dissection traech and peg Nov 08
35 radiation treatments and 3 chemo
Mar 09 mets to lungs
Started Erbitux 3/09/09
06/26/09 mets to rib
Stopped Erbitux 6/26/09
Start erbitux/taxol 7/06/09
Started Hospice 7/24/09
Passed away 8/09/09
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I had a very difficult time swallowing even water for well over a month after treatment and I didn't have surgery, just rad/chemo. I went to a speech therapist for help swallowing. Maybe you should look into that. one thing she showed me was to use thick-it to thicken up water as in it's liquid state it was backing up and going down the wrong way. Still 1 year post tx I can't handle solid food. Others are eating burgers in a few months so, yes, everyone is different.


David R. 65 yr old male non-smoker, light drinker, stage 3 or 4, depending on which doc you ask, scc rt. tonsil, 2 nodes, 7 weeks radiation and chemo. No surgery. Teatment ended 3/20/08. PET scan 8/08 showed no cancer.
And now, as of oct, 2010, caregiver to wife, Linda, with breast cancer.
May, 2013, Linda diagnosed with stage 3 ovarian cancer. Enuf already.
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I do know that they were worried about her aspirating. That confused me in itself, if she were going to aspirate on water wouldnt she aspirate on saliva?



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Mom 48 diagnosed Sep 08 Stage IV SCC
full glossectomy, neck dissection traech and peg Nov 08
35 radiation treatments and 3 chemo
Mar 09 mets to lungs
Started Erbitux 3/09/09
06/26/09 mets to rib
Stopped Erbitux 6/26/09
Start erbitux/taxol 7/06/09
Started Hospice 7/24/09
Passed away 8/09/09
jrch26 #93012 04-01-2009 04:33 PM
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Sorry to hear that your mum has to deal with this.

Your mum should see a Speech Therapist who will check her ability to swallow and will work with her to help her to improve.

As you said yourself everyone is different, and unfortunately your mum has had a full glossectomy. That is a huge operation. To have nearly all, or all of her tongue removed and too try and get food down to swallow is something that she will have to be retrained in doing, starting with tiny baby steps. I know how tough this can be. She no longer has a tongue which does nearly all the work to process and move food.

It is not easy, and she will need professional help to do so. Some of us here started swallowing Food again with help from a therapist.

Please help her to see a therapist so your mum can get some assistance and hopefully start to move forward. She is probably feeling upset and withdrawn. A speech therapist is a really good place to start to get her on the road to recovery.

Best wishes

Karen



46 yrs:
Apr 07-SCC 80% entire tongue removed,T4N1M0
Neck/D,Jaw Split, Trache 2 ops,PEG 3.5yrs
30 x rad,6 x Cisplatin,
30 x HBO
Apr'08- flap Recon + ORN Mandibulectomy
(hip bone to reconstruct jaw)
Oct'08 1 Plate out-jaw
Mar'09 Debulk flap
Sep'09/Jan&Nov'10/Feb&Jun'11/Jan&Jul'12/Oct'13/April'14-More surgery
Karen Rose #93051 04-02-2009 02:32 PM
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I have been told recently by both a speech therapist and my surgeon, Dr Haakenslash, that I may be dependent on my PEG for nutrition indefinitely, depending on what everything looks like when the area is healed and the swelling goes down. It is all healing very slowly. Very glad I insisted on the 20 French PEG prior to my most recent surgery!

The basic problem is that the flap replacing the total glossectomy is merely filler and has no nerves or muscular movement (except for the tiny portion of original tongue left remaining), so it can't assist in the swallowing process. Here's an animation showing that:

http://hopkins-gi.org/multimedia/database/intro_250_Swallow.swf

Click on the 'Play' icon, then on 'Normal Swallow w/explanation'.

In my case, it's even worse because the flap portion in my mouth (aka mobile tongue) died, so I don't even have the filler there.



Age 67 1/2
Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05
Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08
Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08
Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06
Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08)
Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08)
On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
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Well the doctors told us that she would have to depend on the feeding tube indefinitly also. They also told us that she may need to keep the traech, and that has since been removed-so there is still hope! She met with speech therapy both in the hospital and after she was released. She was certain that she was able to move the flap, however they looked inside and told her that she was not moving it.

Has anyone had a video swallow? That is the next step in the speech therapy process. Just curious what that entails.


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Mom 48 diagnosed Sep 08 Stage IV SCC
full glossectomy, neck dissection traech and peg Nov 08
35 radiation treatments and 3 chemo
Mar 09 mets to lungs
Started Erbitux 3/09/09
06/26/09 mets to rib
Stopped Erbitux 6/26/09
Start erbitux/taxol 7/06/09
Started Hospice 7/24/09
Passed away 8/09/09
jrch26 #93140 04-03-2009 04:05 PM
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I had the video swallow. They just give diferent densities of stuff to swallow and watch on screen how it goes down. Kind of cool to watch your inside of your throat work.


David R. 65 yr old male non-smoker, light drinker, stage 3 or 4, depending on which doc you ask, scc rt. tonsil, 2 nodes, 7 weeks radiation and chemo. No surgery. Teatment ended 3/20/08. PET scan 8/08 showed no cancer.
And now, as of oct, 2010, caregiver to wife, Linda, with breast cancer.
May, 2013, Linda diagnosed with stage 3 ovarian cancer. Enuf already.

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