#90225 02-18-2009 07:54 PM | Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 126 Senior Member (100+ posts) | OP Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 126 | Hi, I have a general question that puzzles me. Why do some H&N cancers spread to the nodes and some don't? I've noticed on the forum that even people with T3&T4 tumors will not have node involvement, while smaller primaries T1-T2 will have node involvement. Richard's is a small primary T1 about a 1/2 inch in size, but 1 node about an inch from the primary is involved. Does location matter or is this simply one more unanswered question about cancer? Thanks for any thoughts on the subject. Geri
Geri-CG to husband Richard, 62 yrs old. Former smoker, quit 30yrs ago, light drinker. Dx after tests with BOT T1N1M0. Tx to start by end of Dec. Seven wks IMRT with 2x Cisplatin-2x Erbitux. Peg in 12/08- removed 4/21/09. Looking good so far. Clear Pet &MRI 8/2/09
| | | | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 | My guess would be genetics and probably some other factors that we don't know anything about yet. I'm waiting for some magical answer to pop out of the sky to explain why I got cancer, but I think I'm going to be waiting for a while! My positive node was on the same side of my neck as my tongue cancer, so maybe location does have something to do with it.
Stephanie, 23, SCC on the right side of my tongue, surgery on 5-19-08, over half my tongue removed, free flap constructed from my forearm, bilateral neck dissection, one positive node. Radiation (32) and chemo (carboplatin) started on 6-16-08. Recurrence 4/09 in lungs.
**** Stephanie passed away 12.15.09.... RIP our dear friend****
| | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 | The answer may lie in the 'differentiation' description of the tumor, with poorly differentiated being more likely to have spread elsewhere regardless of tumor size (Size being the prime basis for T1/T2).
Age 67 1/2 Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05 Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08 Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08 Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06 Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08) Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08) On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Another thing to consider is that just because a large node contains the cancer by a biopsy doesn't mean that smaller ones in someone else might also already have the cells growing but just go undetected. I haven't talked to anyone that knows why some Primaries shed and others don't and even if they shed the cells the nodes are supposed to filter them out and I haven't met anyone who could tell me why some nodes allow the cancer cells to multiply and others do their job and dispose of them. Most just say our genetic makeup which is the educated way of saying I haven't the foggiest.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 126 Senior Member (100+ posts) | OP Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 126 | Hi, Thanks everyone for the replies. Richard's primary was moderately differentiated and the node keeps shrinking. We see the RO today and I'll have many questions for her. The MO indicated the radiation will keep working after treatments end and seemed to think the node would return to normal size. The RO wants it gone NOW and that's why she switched Richard to 2 infusions of Erbitux for the last 7 radiation treatments. Has anyone ever heard of only 2 infusions of Erbitux after 2 infusions of Cisplatin during the treatment period? Richard's 1st Erbitux was Tuesday. It was the loading dose. He had flu-like symptoms, but is back to normal today. His 2nd infusion will be next Mon. with 3 more rads to go. This time next week, he will be done with treatments and we will wait and see if all this has worked. I'll post when I get more info after today's RO appointment. Talk to you all later...Geri
Geri-CG to husband Richard, 62 yrs old. Former smoker, quit 30yrs ago, light drinker. Dx after tests with BOT T1N1M0. Tx to start by end of Dec. Seven wks IMRT with 2x Cisplatin-2x Erbitux. Peg in 12/08- removed 4/21/09. Looking good so far. Clear Pet &MRI 8/2/09
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