#80817 09-20-2008 08:58 PM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 598 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 598 | Here I am, 14 months post treatment, and I really have very little to complain about, all things considered. My neck is perpetually stiff, shoulders hurt, but I am cancer free. So, why do I periodically become a psychological basket case.
Recently, I had to have a follow-up CT Scan of my chest, arising from a lung scan I had a few years ago that showed a few nodules. All of the exams since have shown them slowly disappearing, so I had no objective reason to be concerned, but this time I was a basket case, convinced I had metastasis to the lung. I think part of the reason was that the neck/shoulder stiffness sometimes radiates into the chest, but geez . . . Needless to say, CT came back fine and my regular follow up with MO on Friday was fine as well.
I also seem to be obsessing over small memory lapses I have noticed -- nothing dramatic, just the periodic searching for a name that I have on the tip of my tongue. Again, I am convinced that this is some sign of something dire, though there is nothing objective to support that. I know that Cisplatin can cause this, even long after treatment is over, but my mind searches for more ominous causes.
This has not been a constant phenomenon with me, but periodically it just grabs hold and won't let go, like it has for the past few weeks. I'm not a lot of fun to be around when I have this happening, let me tell you.
Am I just slowly going crazy? Sometimes the cumulative impact of the battle, even when you are winning it, seems to be a bit overwhelming, and I am not, as a rule, a guy that gets overwhelmed easily.
Sorry for the diatribe. Just needed to get that off my chest, so to speak. ;-)
Jeff SCC Right BOT Dx 3/28/2007 T2N2a M0G1,Stage IVa Bilateral Neck Dissection 4/11/2007 39 x IMRT, 8 x Cisplatin Ended 7/11/07 Complete response to treatment so far!!
| | | | Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 100 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 100 | Hello Jeff, I know that there are many reasons for memory issues. One that I was suprised to find out about is memory loss is a symptom of depression. Just thought I would mention in case you hadn't thought about it. I think many people having to deal with cancer treatment could suffer from depression. And by the way, I think it is OK to complain about having to deal with all of the treatment issues and side effects from time to time.
Tom-CG to wife, Pam 46@dx Stage IV Tongue Cancer T2N2C Dx 6/08, Surgery 7/08, 3 nodes positive 9/08 33IMRT/7Carbo/Taxol 4/09 node biopsy positive, mets to lungs/stomach 5/09 Cisplatin or Cis/Alimta study 6/09 Cis/Taxotere 9/09 Taxotere 1/10 Xeloda 3/10 Cetuximab weekly 6/29/10 lost battle
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,357 Likes: 5 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,357 Likes: 5 | As Brian Hill once aptly said to me - welcome to Survivorhood - its not a road for the faint of heart.
For me, the longer out I go/get from treatment, the more paranoid I become at each check up. What you are experiencing is extremely normal, and all we can really do is live one day at a time - no matter how "overused" that phrase is.
I too experienced memory loss which I attributed to being distracted, but in jest told those around me that there had been a few stray radiation beams - always a good excuse.
Don't be hard on yourself - adjustments take time. You'll get there.
Donna
Donna,69, SCC L Tongue T2N1MO Stg IV 4/04 w/partial gloss;32 radtx; T2N2M0 Stg IV; R tongue-2nd partial gloss w/graft 10/07; 30 radtx/2 cispl 2/08. 3rd Oral Cancer surgery 1/22 - Stage 1. 2022 surgery eliminated swallowing and bottom left jaw. Now a “Tubie for Life”.no food envy - Thank God! Surviving isn't easy!!!! .Proudly Canadian - YES, UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS WONDERFUL! (Not perfect but definitely WONDERFUL)
| | | | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 | Jeff
I am fortunate never to have had cancer,but just being touched by the disease on a close personal level,has left me compulsive and obsessive about the damn thing.I cant even begin to imagine how you must feel,and i dont think it is surprising.They say knowledge is power,but they also say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing,which after your treatment is finished,is probably true,making every little nuance a potential threat.
On a lighter note Jeff,i am 54 ,and the memory thing is not indiginous to post chemo.Names and words i have used all my life evade me ,just this week i couldn't remember my pin number for my atm card that i have had for 25 years, that on the tip of your tongue thing is infuriating,but i am assured that it is all perfectly normal for women of a certain age lol.It serves as a constant reminder that our bodies are not designed to last for ever,no matter how invincible we may feel.
Jeff you are human and entitled to feel as you do,but if it becomes an issue,think about talking to someone.
love liz
Liz in the UK
Husband Robin aged 44 years Dx 8th Dec 2006 poorly differentiated SCC tongue with met to neck T1N2cM0 Surgery and Radiation.Finished TX April 2007 Recurrence June/07 died July 29th/07.
Never take your eye off the ball, it may just smack you in the mouth.
| | | | Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 706 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 706 | Jeff- Although I'm not a cancer patient I have experienced some of the same things you mention. I had a small spot on my gum and rushed to my husband's ENT for a checkup. All was fine but I lost sleep over it. I also have memory lapses and I think it's from being distracted with appointments, thoughts of the future/past, etc. Patients and caregivers alike have the same worries and these can really take up space in your head. Either that or I'm just getting old!
Sue
cg to husband, 48 Stage 1V head and neck SCC. First surgery 9/07. Radiation and several rounds of chemo followed. Mets to chest and lungs. "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain." Went home to God on February 22, 2009.
| | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 | I am also experiencing memory loss as I age (even before the radiation) and one of my high school friends was just asking me about it the other day -- He's having loss also.
I suspect it is even worse when we are stressed (or depressed) because our subconscious is busy worrying about something and won't allow our conscious brain enough power to remember stuf.
Age 67 1/2 Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05 Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08 Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08 Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06 Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08) Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08) On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
| | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 598 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 598 | Thanks to everyone for the input! Every now and then, I just need a reality check. Intellectually, I know that this is all part of the recovery process, but my instinct sometimes is to withdraw and live in my own mind, which is a really dangerous neighborhood. ;-)
Anyway, things are looking up, and the the first day of Fall promises to be a beautiful one here in Central Ohio. I spent half the weekend harvesting about 1,150 apples from my two apple trees, and there are about 200 -300 left. Anybody need apples? ;-) Jeff SCC Right BOT Dx 3/28/2007 T2N2a M0G1,Stage IVa Bilateral Neck Dissection 4/11/2007 39 x IMRT, 8 x Cisplatin Ended 7/11/07 Complete response to treatment so far!!
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Jeff,
With over 600 clients I now, either because of pure age or a combo of age, chemo & rad, have my Office Mgr copy all new clients' drivers licenses so I have a picture of them to help me remember what they look like which seems to help me remember their tax issues. I assume that won't work forever but it works for me now.
We use to use the phrase "chemo brain" around here to label our post Tx mental shortcomings but I don't know if that has any scientific foundation.
Om the positive side, at least you remember that you used to be mentally sharper. LOL
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 250 Platinum Member (200+ posts) | Platinum Member (200+ posts) Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 250 | I, also have experienced noticable concentration and memory problems since radiation and chemo. I call it swiss cheese brain. It's not really memory loss, though. It's more like mamory blips - here yesterday, gone today, back again tomorrow, etc. A common thing for me lately is to say "I knew it before you asked me."
Lani
SCC part glossectomy 3/06, recur 8/06 glossectomy, floor of mouth, part of jaw removed, RT/chemo thru 10/12/06, PET clear 7/08 "A bend in the road is not the end of the road, unless you fail to make the turn" Passed away 12/14/08
| | | | Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 250 Platinum Member (200+ posts) | Platinum Member (200+ posts) Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 250 | Oops. I meant memory blips - not mamory 
SCC part glossectomy 3/06, recur 8/06 glossectomy, floor of mouth, part of jaw removed, RT/chemo thru 10/12/06, PET clear 7/08 "A bend in the road is not the end of the road, unless you fail to make the turn" Passed away 12/14/08
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