#61389 07-25-2007 09:08 AM | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 214 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 214 | I was told by my oncologist that I absolutely could never drink alcohol again, even though my tumor was caused by HPV.( I was only a social drinker, by the way) Were any of you told the same thing? If so, do you drink anyway? Were any of you told that it is okay to drink? I am curious because everyone I know who has had cancer is very surprised that I was told that; they say they've never heard of that. I haven't had a drink since February, so I guess I can live without it. I am just curious as to what you were all told. Teresa
Left tonsil SCC, HPV+. T2N0M0. Tonsillectomy 3-07, bilateral radiation, cisplatin 3x, Tx completed 6-06. Clear PET 4-01-2008. Thyroidectomy 5-9-08, resulting in permanent surgically-induced hypoparathyroidism and adrenal problems. Bummer. | | |
#61390 07-25-2007 09:20 AM | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 | Teresa -- This topic comes up every so often, most recently here (thread from May 2007 with many responses). -- Leslie
Leslie
April 2006: Husband dx by dentist with leukoplakia on tongue. Oral surgeon's biopsy 4/28/06: Moderate dysplasia; pathology report warned of possible "skip effect." ENT's excisional biopsy (got it all) 5/31/06: SCC in situ/small bit superficially invasive. Early detection saves lives.
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#61391 07-25-2007 10:45 AM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 | Teresa, I was told by my ENT here that wine or beer once in a while is OK--and I don't know if my tumor was HPV caused or not though it's in an area where that would be unlikely. I was only ever a pretty light social drinker and a former smoker who had quit for 9 years when diagnosed. Up until just last week I didn't drink anything because a friend's husband, who was treated at SKCC, was told he should never drink again, although he was only a social drinker too. I figured if people are getting different advice, take the safe route and not drink. And I've ahd such swallowing problmes and my mouth is so sensitive that it wasn't much of an issue. Last week, I tried a little of a dark beer my husband had and it was pretty good (before cancer I loved having a Guiness once in a while) and next time we went out, we split a dark beer. I had about 1/3 of it, he had 2/3. I've also tried a sip or two of wine not too long ago and found that it stings my mouth a little AND just doesn't taste quite the same, so I'm not too tempted by that and I know anything stronger than wine or beer would burn my mouth. So at this point, beer is really the only temptation and I may allow myself a little bit every now and then because honestly I don't think the data is too clear on whether small amounts of alcohol really are a risk factor. Nelie
SCC(T2N0M0) part.glossectomy & neck dissect 2/9/05 & 2/25/05.33 IMRT(66 Gy),2 Cisplatin ended 06/03/05.Stage I breast cancer treated 2/05-11/05.Surgery to remove esophageal stricture 07/06, still having dilatations to keep esophagus open.Dysphagia. "When you're going through hell, keep going"
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#61392 07-25-2007 12:09 PM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Teresa, My docs told me drinking in moderation was still Ok. I used to enjoy a beer or 2 but now I don't really seem to care as much so I maybe drink 1 beer a week. I also have never been told (either yes or no) that alcohol helps the HPV virus turn our cells into cancer like thay say it does with tobacco.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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#61393 07-25-2007 12:18 PM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 65 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 65 | There are no studies related to HPV and alcohol. Even with tobacco, HPV has an additive effect, not a synergistic effect in the disease development process. That means that it does NOT help the tobacco carcinogenic process. It adds another burden, but which does not amplify or augment the process started by tobacco. girlcat - I find your oncologist's extreme directive to be just that, extreme and unsupported by evidence of harm when moderation is exercised. I can tell you though that because of my extreme xerostomia, drinking wine or beer etc. with friends leaves me with a following day of extremely dehydrated oral tissues and throat which is quite uncomfortable.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | |
#61394 07-25-2007 03:06 PM | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 176 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 176 | Teresa, I will celebrate 2 years next month. At my last check-up 2 months ago, my Doc said that 1-2 beer or wine/wk was ok. I was HPV-, didn't smoke, and was only a social drinker. Rob
6-05, Left Tonsil-T1N2bM0 stageIVA, chemo(Cisplatin), radiation(6660cGy), neck disection, no PEG. HPV negative. (Doc suspects posit) 3-9-09 last of 30 HBO treatments.
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#61395 07-26-2007 02:40 AM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Rob, You say you were HPV negative and you didn't smoke and you had a tonsil primary with nodal involvement? I'm surprised. Did I miss something?
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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#61396 07-26-2007 02:50 AM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 | David, Why are you surprised? There are several people on this board who never smoked and either are not HPV+ or probably weren't based on the location of their tumor (oral tongue instead of tonsils). HPV+ cancers certainly represent a subgroup of oral cancers that can't be explained by smoking but it seems obvious to me they don't explain all of them. We have an unusual kind of cancer in that the causes can be identified for a large percent of folks who get it but it doesn't surprise me at all that there's also cases which must be caused by factors not yet identified. That's true for almost every other kind of cancer too. Nelie
SCC(T2N0M0) part.glossectomy & neck dissect 2/9/05 & 2/25/05.33 IMRT(66 Gy),2 Cisplatin ended 06/03/05.Stage I breast cancer treated 2/05-11/05.Surgery to remove esophageal stricture 07/06, still having dilatations to keep esophagus open.Dysphagia. "When you're going through hell, keep going"
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#61397 07-26-2007 12:40 PM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Nelie,
Must be, but in my world I like all things to fall in their proper boxes and make some logical sense. Guess that's why I'm not a cellular researcher.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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#61398 07-26-2007 02:07 PM | Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 294 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 294 | None of my docs said anything about drinking in the future one way or the other. It wouldn't really matter to me anyway since it tastes horrible to me. Beer still tastes like it is full of sugar as does wine. Never was much of a hard liquor drinker anyway and haven't even tasted it since Tx completed.
Just as long as they don't tell me to give up my coffee. I gave up the smoking and coffee is my last vice.
Bill D.
Dx 4/27/06, SCC, BOT, Stage III/IV, Tx 5/25/06 through 7/12/06 - 33 IMRT and 4 chemo, radical right side neck dissection 9/20/06.
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