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#26505 07-05-2004 04:31 PM
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I need some feedback. Here I am 5 months after radiation and thinking that should have experienced all of the aftermath of radiation. I had 30 IMRT along with chemo in Dec/Jan 04. Everyone has been amazed at how much salaiva I have managed to retain, from the dentist to the radiation oncologist. I suddenly woke up last week snoring the dry mouth kind. (it was mine) My mouth is like the Sahara. Has anyone else had this experience so far out from Tx? I should be grateful for the months with spit, because I am really missing it now. My flap feels like a cotton ball.

Here's the other help I need. I recently really had increase my pain meds to cope with some intense chest wall pain. I can't get the constipation under control. I take Lactulose everynight along with some Milk of Magnesia, but that's not helping. Any suggestions would be most appreciative. A bit embarrassing to have to ask for bathroom help, but I'm desperate.

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Lynn


Stage 3, N0, M0 oral tongue cancer survivor, 85-90% of tongue removed, neck disection, left tonsil removed, chemo/radiation treatments, surgery 11/03, raditation ended 1/04, lung mets discovered 4/04,
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Don't be embarassed to ask for bathroom help -- that's a huge part of the treatment, and we've all had issues there... I still count two "stopped up" experiences as the absolute worst part of all of this -- think grown man whimpering on the bathroom floor...

I don't know how your swallowing is but I took stool softeners (two pills in the morning and two at night) when I was taking a lot of pain meds. Folks have recommended to me taking Senekot S. At one point, my nurses gave me something they called "a detergent." I never had to use it but they promised it was powerful stuff. Might want to ask around and force the issue more with your health care folks...

As for saliva, mine seemed to get worse about two months after my last treatment. Of course, I had weened myself off of Saligen pills as well weeks earlier. It's a tad better now but still "Sahara like" at night. I swish with Biotene rinse before I go to bed, and often put some type of oral gel on my tongue and gums after that. It seems to help some... Sometimes I have to keep swishing Biotene throughout the night...

Best of luck to you!!


Tongue cancer (SCC), diagnosed Oct. 2003 (T2 N0 M0). Surgery to remove tumor. IMRT Radiation 30x in Dec 2003 - Jan. 2004. Recurrence lymph node - radical neck dissection June 2004. Second round of rad/chemo treatments ended Sept. 2004.
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lynn,

a natural and traditional remedy for constipation that so far seems to work for my sister (who's also having constipation since she's increased her pain meds):

eat a pear (by mouth or pureed if you have a peg tube) first thing in the morning, and follow that with some lukewarm water.

be well.

gita


sister diagnosed 11/03 SCC maxilla keratenizing stg IV T1N1Mx; 4-7 positive lymph nodes; dissection 12/03 left upper pallette removd; radiaton left side 35 sessions 2/04-4/04; recurrence same side 4/04; chemo began 5/04 incl cisplatine, 5fu, taxotere
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Lynn, I found that the best solution to bathroom problems was good, old fashioned prune juice. Of course, I started using it with my peg, but a small glass of prune juice in the morning helped me a lot. I also had the plugged-up, bathroom floor experience and wouldn't wish that on anyone.


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Stage IV, T1N2aM0, right tonsil primary, Tonsilectomy 11/03, 35 rad/3cisplatin chemo, right neck dissection 1/04 - 5/04.
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Lynn, if the humnidity's down it can cause the sudden nighttime dry mouth. Case in point, recently took a trip to Australia. Inland New South Wales I had dry mouth like pry my tongue from the roof of my mouth. Norhtern in Queensland coast in Cairns no problem. Notice the difference here too when the humidity is low, which is rare.

Don't worry about the bathroom help, we've all been there. Calling Roto-Rooter one day, looking for a cork the next. Let the doc know about the problem, should be giving you stool softners anyway.

Bob


SCC Tongue, stage IV diagnosed Sept, 2002, 1st radical neck dissection left side in Sept, followed by RAD/Chemo. Discovered spread to right side nodes March 2003, second radical neck dissection April, followed by more RAD/Chemo.
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Hi Lynn,

Ahhh the bathroom adventure! I, too, remember a couple of occasions where I was in so much pain that childbirth seemed like a walk in the park! What's worked for me, and I use this daily, is a glass of prune juice in the evening and also taking 3 doses of Benefiber each day. I've also used suppositories and MOM but the prune juice/Benefiber cocktail seems to work the best for me. Using milk of magnesuem sometimes would cause stomach cramps for me. Good luck!

Hugs, Nancy


Stage IV oral cancer (tongue), T3N2, total glossectomy with right and left modified neck dissection 7/03, rad /chemo ended 11/03
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Lynn,

I've had dry mouth problems fairly steadily since radiation, since I didn't have IMRT (I've also been on Salagen for almost 14 years). Some days are worse than others, but I have found that if I sleep for very long on my back, my mouth dries up very quickly (I can identify with the Sahara feeling -- I tell my husband I feel as though I've been chewing on sawdust all night). Also, I have to keep my head somewhat propped up during the night.

Lately I've been doing the Biotene ritual before going to bed, and that seems to help a bit.

Cathy


Tongue SCC (T2M0N0), poorly differentiated, diagnosed 3/89, partial glossectomy and neck dissection 4/89, radiation from early June to late August 1989
#26512 07-06-2004 03:40 AM
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Just a quick note to anyone that has to use the stool softeners.

Wal-Mart Equate brand is about a quarter of the nationl brand pricing. Especially the Senokot S.

Equate comes in two forms. Stool Softener alone and a Stool Softener with Stimulant Laxative. (Exact same ingredient listing as Senokot S)

This stuff adds up when you take it daily.

Take care,
Dinah

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I wish I could have consumed any kind of fruit or even juice but the acidity from it put my pain threshold over the top even with pink magic, morphine and all the other stuff.
I used Senekot S, Preparation H and tried various other remedies. Nothing really improved substantially until I was able to wean off of the pain meds. The constipation issues were the worst effects managed by my team - they got a "D-" for that. The nausea was nothing compared to the constipation. Since the nausea had a higher visibility my caregiving wife was way more concerned about that (she was sick to her stomach last night so I got a taste of the helplessness of watching somebody sick to their stomach). As disconcerting as it is I don't think many people die from vomiting (unless you're a rock star that is- and because they have aspirated it while unconcious).


Gary Allsebrook
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Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2
Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy)
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Lynn,

I used Senakot or Senakot S and took two in the morning and two in the evening before bed. You still have to drink a lot of water. MOM reqires a lot of water too to be effective. When it got too bad, though, I opted for the fleet enemas if it was too painful. I only made it through one grown man whimpering on the floor episode and called out the big guns after that.

If you have a juicer, cabbage and pear juice do a great job, too.

Ed


SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0
Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation
Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03
Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08.
Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11
Cervical Myelitis 09/12
Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12
Dysautonomia 11/12
Hospice care 09/12-01/13.
COPD 01/14
Intermittent CHF 6/15
Feeding tube NPO 03/16
VFI 12/2016
ORN 12/2017
Cardiac Event 06/2018
Bilateral VFI 01/2021
Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022
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