| Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 24 Member | OP Member Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 24 | So its been three weeks since my sister's total glossectomy. She had a swallow study done this past Friday and did very well at protecting her airway. The speech pathologist said as far as she is concerned, the feeding tube can come out. The surgeon said lets wait a few more days, let her get some more eating/swallowing practice in before the tube comes out. He gave me scissors and told me how to remove it. Now she is growing impatient and wants it out now. My parents are trying to make her wait, saying she is currently not eating enough to sustain herself (which is true) but she argues that she will eat better once the tube is out. I feel very caught in the middle of this argument and right now have 2 out the other people involved mad at me. Just looking for advice. She is soon facing radiation treatments and that doctor today told us that the tube she has now may act as more of an irritant once treatment is started and he prefers a Peg tube if she needs anything.
Last edited by RebeccaH.; 12-10-2013 05:20 PM.
Sister, 18yr old, diagnosed with oral tongue cancer 10/08/13 Total Glossectomy and neck dissection 11/18/13 (saved the back left portion of her tongue base only) Forearm flap reconstruction Trache and NG feeding tube after surgery (both removed now) Tumor 6.7 cm All lymph nodes tested came back negative for cancer Radiation- 30 treatments (ending 2/18/14) 3/20/14 Recurrence- tumors in both lungs; likely metastasis
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | You are now put in a bad position by a lazy doctor. A doctor should be removing your sisters feeding tube. I cant believe he gave you scissors and told you to do it. This is something that should be done in a sterile environment by a medical professional. I have never heard of anything like this before. If your sister is going to be having rads soon then why not leave the tube in place. After what she has been thru it is very likely she will need the tube to help her get thru rads.
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | Does your sister have a nasal tube? Maybe that's why the doctor said it may be more of an irritant when treatments starts, and would rather put a peg tube if she needs anything?
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 | I think that your sister will definitely need a PEG tube. Learning to swallow after a total Glossectomy requires the help of a Speech/swallow therapist plus plenty of practice. Going through radiation is going to make this very difficult for her. She should still be able to swallow but I don't think she will be able to take in enough calories. Remember that many people who do still have a tongue need a PEG to maintain their caloric intake. My Kris still has his PEG 21 months post his total Glossectomy even though he has not used it for 18 months. I would be challenging the Dr on this. Yes, the Naso Gastric tube should come out, but I think only when they have placed a PEG. I don't think your sister will get through this without one. Thank goodness she has you in her corner. Tammy
Caregiver/advocate to Husband Kris age 59@ diagnosis DX Dec '10 SCC BOT T4aN2bM0 HPV+ve.Cisplatin x3 35 IMRT. PET 6/11 clear. R) level 2-4 neck dissection 8/1/11 to remove residual node - necrotic with NED Feb '12 Ca back.. 3/8/12 total glossectomy/laryngectomy/bilat neck dissection/partial pharyngectomy etc. clear margins. All nodes negative for disease. PEG in. March 2017 - 5 years disease free. Woohoo!
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Sorry if I missed seeing the NG tube in your signature. Now I understand why the doc allowed you to remove it. A NG tube is alot different than a regular surgically placed feeding tube. I agree with the other members about needing a regular peg tube for when rads begins. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 5 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 5 | Yup.. an NG is just a tug... how is she doing otherwise?
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 16 Likes: 1 Member | Member Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 16 Likes: 1 | I'm surprised that the doctors went with the NG tube instead of a PEG. Given the size of the tumor I'm sure they had to have some kind of ideas of following up with radiation treatments. I had a PEG in from the surgery until about 2 weeks after radiation treatments ended. It was an annoyance having it there since I wasn't using it at all. Then I got to that last week of treatment and was very glad to have it. Anything other than water was unbearable on the mouth sores. I'm sure the NG tube is just as annoying, and with radiation it may become downright painful. I would definitely talk to docs about getting a PEG though. Even if it's just to throw down some extra calories while giving the tongue a break.
Dan
Stage 4 SCC on right underside of tongue
DX on 7/19/13 at age 29, no tobacco, light drinking
Partial Glossectomy/reconstruction/neck disection 8/20/13 Temp Trach, PEG tube
4/59 lymph nodes cancerous, 1 with extracapsular extension
Chemo - Cisplatin - 3 treatments started on 10/01/13 Radiation - 33 treatments started on 10/02/13
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 5 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 5 | I think the thing is they didn't know the extent of the surgery - and tumor. I had an NG placed. There is always the hope that by doing this surgery where will be no need for follow up treatment. She was only to lose half, but they discovered after going in that it was more involved. Often they'd rather do less - in terms of invasive procedures - than more. Hugs.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
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