I only eat red meat on Sundays and that's when I charcoal grill 2 1 lb Ribeyes with tons of marbling for my wife and I. I eat all of mine and she ends up sharing hers with Buddy and Lamont our 2 85 lb rescue Pit mixes.

Hmmm, this crowd does like its ribeyes!

Cheryl, what shake/smoothie ingredients did you use during treatment? I am looking at hemp powder for protein. Did you use a particular powder? My hope is to transition to an anti-cancer diet long-term. I've been moving in that direction the last few weeks and definitely feel better.

I'm not saying low protein or high protein, but adequate for the persons situation, and calculations, which could be low or normal protein intake, like when already having chronic kidney disease or high intake during illness, healing, exercise. Some may take a suggestion to eat high protein to be sky's the limit, the same with nutition, when excess feeds cancer, so they say, but at the same time, some may need to gain weight on a doctors advise, and just mentioning the other side of the coin, and to look into your needs. Treatment can also compromise kidney function (creatine, GFR) temporarily, and sometimes permanently, and excessive intake of protein can cause other problems with that, breakdown, dehydration, which is already common with Tx. One of the symptoms of protein toxicity, is nausea and vomiting, and ammonia smell. I may have had protein toxicity, i belived so back in '88, from heavy intake of proteins causing an ammonia smell, and ever since, I tried not to take in as much protein. Funny Ed mentioned the pancreas, and years later I developed diabetes, which I thought was related to high protein, exercise, but anyway, diabetes can be related to the pancreas, and now have chronic stage 4 chronic kidney disease from chemo, probably diabetes didn't help. Once the kidneys are damaged, the kidneys usually don't repair itself. unless it's from acute kidney failure, but it's compromise deteriorates your health, and survival.

All comments posted here are never to be taken as gospel. Every person is unique and every case is unique and the combination makes each patient's journey unique and needs to be evaluated, assessed, and treated based on that specific uniqueness.

If we can no longer post generalities, commonly observed experiences, and needing to qualify every comment for every possible condition and exception, then you may as well just shut down the forum.

Generally speaking, cheesesteaks aside, a healthy low fat diet, one with a good balance of protein, low glycemic carbs, vegetables, fruit, etc. is good for us but seldom followed (raises hand). It makes sense that such a diet is beneficial to our bodies regardless of cancer.

Logically, after cancer, when our systems have been compromised, eating the right foods can aid with our own healing powers and immune systems. There have been some recent studies, albeit small, of diet and cancer. I'm glad to see the medical community looking into this subject. I'm all for healthy eating but knowing how indiscriminate cancer is, I believe diet alone cannot influence the beast one way or another.

We should all try to eat healthy, regardless of cancer. Perhaps it's the wording. Anti cancer? What about "anti bad health"?

"T"

I agree, Don. You should follow your own rules, and don't ask for any studies, peer reviews, proof of anything or argue an opinion, which you often do. FYI, my comment wasn't necessarily directed at you, it could have been anyone, and it was just the words, "eat high protein", which is often posted, and most likely true, important, and I agree with, but maybe not for everyone or all the time, and amount may vary in everyone, at different times, and should be calculated, and just bringing out that information and the "cons" of doing so, especially that it may increase dehydration, so one should look into that. In your post it was "Heavy Protein" which sounded more than high? Ed mentioned an amount while heavy exercising, 1gram of protein for every pound of body weight, which is not often mentioned, along with eat high protein, and think the amount is important, different in everyone, Half that, If moderate or none, etc. The FDA daily requirement amount is different to. I have seen numbers for cancer patients and recovery from surgery more towards the 1 to 1, but don't recall exactly off hand. This wasn't the first time I mentioned it on other posts, so don't take it personally.

I have a 400 lb very short aunt that eats fast foods primarily. Her cholesterol is 125, triglycerides 90. It is more proof that every one of us are unique. Monitoring cholesterol and bp is a good thing for anyone to do as it shows how the body is processing things. What I call "lifestyle" drugs to help these only makes the problem with a crutch, in my opinion. Aerobic exercise is not always possible but helps as does high fiber...as does protein, provided the body processes it well. After chemo and radiation almost all rules became confusing as the body is in a fight for life trying to figure out what that toxicity introduced really is and how to regulate it while protecting the body.

I think all of us (hand raised very high) determines what works best for us and wants others to do it too since it worked. The point of sharing this is to merely give a starting point to which we should adjust based on blood tests and personal experiences. If I can sit down and shut up about water...we should all not take it personally! What works for one may not work for any let alone all.

If I challenge you on something it is not to say you are wrong or I am right. It is to say check this out, try and find a way to measure it and keep on keeping on.

I have had many friends get into some type of weight training at a later point in life and in the 80's it was all about protein. I saw many of them with pancreatitis because they were having protein shakes in excess. Most of them are diabetic, Type I or II and some have gone from pancreatic cancer. Was it the whey? We will never know. They should have had blood tests done to measure digestive enzymes earlier. That much I believe but I will never know. Excess bile, abdominal pain in the center or upper right quadrant are signs something is wrong with the liver, pancreas or gall bladder.

Just find what works, find a measurement and keep doing what improves your health.

Ed

Cheesteaks do rule, too, by the way!

I have my own creation...the Seoul Cheesteak! I marinate shaved ribeye in kalbi (Korean BBQ) then I caramelized onions in olive oil or coconut oil, add some jalape�os for the bell pepper taste, add in some sliced button mushrooms and then the beef with stinky feet provolone on top. I had to quit toasting the buns because toast collects in the throat pockets and the choking while eating becomes a choking all day afterwards. I scoop it on and enjoy the heck out of.

I saw on TV a study about walking 15 minutes after meals to prevent diabetes and to process fats and carbs better so I do that after 2 ribeye sammies. Don't know if it works but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Don, I try and healthify my sukiyaki too. I switch to tofu shirataki instead of yam threads for a tad more protein and less carbs, low sodium soy for my wife and I use organic raw eggs to dip the stuff in...Japanese style! I use the family tradition of at least 5 green leafy veggies too. For all red meat our rule is green leafy veggies with the meal.

Soy protein....the "imitation estrogen". Men should limit soy protein as it reduces testosterone production. I used to make my own tofu so I knew what goes into it and I used the pulp to create my own okara burgers. As my energy grows I may have to go back to that.

Gotta go...eat now! YUMMY!

Well that long winded post disappearing sucks! Maybe I will reconstruct later. I guess I used up my verbiage for the day.

Cheesesteaks rule! My version uses kalbi (Korean BBQ) marinade. I caramelize the onions in olive oil or coconut oil, add in some jalape�os for the bell pepper flavor, the marinated ribeye and after cooking I add some stinky feet provolone. I stopped toasting the bun since the dry toast makes my coughing during the meal an all day event with chunks of bread crumbs coming nonstop. I call it the Seoul Cheesesteak.

I saw on national news some studies that said walking 15 minutes uses after eating fat foods or high starch foods helps the body prevent Type II and maybe Type I diabetes. I figure it must balance the sins!

Don, I healthify my sukiyaki by replacing the shirataki with a tofu version. Our Japanese family tradition is to add a minimum of 5 green leafy veggies to it too. Our rule is all red meat should be followed with green leafy veggies. I used to make my own tofu so I know what goes in it. I use the leftover pulp to make my version of okara burgers with carrots, onions and spices.

I try to limit soy proteins because of the "imitation estrogen" effect on males. It effectively lowers testosterone.