| Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 531 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 531 | Hey everybody haven't been on for a long time. Just taking each day as it comes. Well now I'm getting scared...one of the tumors in Ron's neck that you can't see is growing and making it hard for him to talk now...it's gotten bigger and I'm now afraid that maybe it may grow enough to hit that f'n carotid artery...it would be quick but I'm not ready...I told him I want to have him go for a CT scan...he won't. He says he's holding out for Christmas...he was crying...then again he's been hitting the Jack Daniels my daughter bought him for his birthday Tuesday I told him lay off that Jack. I'm afraid...what will happen, what will I do, I so know that the lungs weren't going to get him I knew the tumors on his neck will win this f'n battle we have fought I know the damn oncologist knows nothing bout Oral Cancer he said the lungs will get him before the ones on his neck...I disagree. I want a CT scan but Ron won't do it he said he's done. I'm not! I can see the tumor on his neck the left side the one under his chin has slowed down but not inside, I wish that it would be his lungs, with the one on his neck...it can happen in a flash I've read that here so it's not like he's you know in hospice cuz he's able to move around but I feel it will be bam it's done but I will be at work...or sleeping...I'm scared. What do I do now? Make him go to a nursing home to be watched 24/7? What do I do?
CG to Ron Out of Pain 4/3/13 4/12-lung and under chin growth no treatment 1/13/12 lung biopsy 6/11 recur 6/30 resection #2 Clear margins Clear 12/10 Surg 5/13/10 neck dis/nodes part gloss/flap R thigh all teeth out RAD 30 8/10 DX 4/2/10 "Oral Cavity" T3NOMO 12/28/07 Non Hodg Lymph remission 7/08 passed away 4.3.15, RIP Ron, you are greatly missed
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Im so sorry, Sue!!!! How I wish he was more considerate, but he seems to be very stubborn. The only think I can suggest is to have a calm discussion with him (when he isnt drinking). Explain to him how afraid you are of his future and how you would love for him to get a CT. Tell him its for your peace of mind, so you wont worry so much.
(((HUGS)))) ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 | I feel your terror. I don't know. What will a CT change? . Do you really want to know how things have progressed ? Sometimes I think ignorance is bliss. It's this awful fear of the unknown and impending loss. If it does erode an artery it will be quick and there won't be anything to do except hold his hand. In the meantime you have him at home where you can be together. These are precious times. Here in NZ Hospice also supports the patient and family at home. Maybe you should contact hospice and they can support the two of you. Both with advice and practical help. Maybe just talking to them about your fears will give you enough reassurance to cope. I hope this helps Sue. Tammy.
Caregiver/advocate to Husband Kris age 59@ diagnosis DX Dec '10 SCC BOT T4aN2bM0 HPV+ve.Cisplatin x3 35 IMRT. PET 6/11 clear. R) level 2-4 neck dissection 8/1/11 to remove residual node - necrotic with NED Feb '12 Ca back.. 3/8/12 total glossectomy/laryngectomy/bilat neck dissection/partial pharyngectomy etc. clear margins. All nodes negative for disease. PEG in. March 2017 - 5 years disease free. Woohoo!
| | | | Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 618 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 618 | I don't think the corotid issue is the same here. My tumor grew around the corotid (and the scar tissue is still there) I now have an increased chance that the corotid will blow (about 2%)this hangs over my head forever. I just live with it. This is from the direct blast of radiation the corotid took. The radiation makes the artery wall stiffen.
The tumor will not close off the corotid, it will grow around it. I don't know what a CT will tell you here. I don't think this will be an issue for you to worry about.
Kelly Male 48, SCC (Soft Palet) Rt., Stage 1, T3n0m0, Dx, 8-09, Start IMRT 35 9-2-09 end 10-21-09 04-20-10 NED 8-11 recurrence, node rt. neck N2b 10-11 33 IMRT w/chemo wkly 3-12-12 PET - residual cancer 4-12 5 treatments with Cyberknife & Erbitux 6-19-12 Pet scan CLEAR 12-3-12 PET - CLEAR
| | | | Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) | "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 | Oh Sue. What a situation. I don't know what to advise for the best, but if it were me I'd be pushing again for the CT at a sober moment. I need to know what I'm dealing with. Linda x
Brother 49yo DX 22/6/11 Tonsil SCC HPV+ Stage IV T4N1(?)M0. Carbo/docetaxel (Taxotere)19/7, 11/8 (with E-tux), 1/9; E-tux 11/8, 25/8, 15/9, 30/9, 14/10, 28/10; IMRT X 35 (70gy tumour;63gy nodes;56gy gen area) 19/9-4/11/11. Clear PET scan 1/2/12. 1 and 2 year post treatment checks good. | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Sorry sorry sorry. Have you considered Hospice? They are wonderful and are equiped in all ways to help both of you.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,264 Likes: 4 | I'm so sorry about all this truth be told, losing him quickly would be a blessing rather than having him struggling to breath and slowly suffocating to death. I would push for them to do something rather than just a ct  hugs and love to you.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | Oh my goodness, Sue! It sure sounds like you need somebody there to help you and Ron through this. Maybe Hospice would be able to offer you some other ideas in caring for Ron - even if he refuses to cooperate, it wouldn't be such a heavy burden on your shoulders to have someone else there. I've always heard such good things about Hospice. And it would help relieve some of the stress you've had to deal with.
Anne-Marie CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
| | | | Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 75 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 75 | Jim's hospice team helped me prepare for similar event, I didnt need to use and I hope you don't either. 911 was informed that they may be called to offer assistance POLST in place so they knew not to resussitate and there was a calling tree of people who could come quickly to help. I or kids just needed to make one call. Put dark colored sheets on bed. Have plenty of dark towels ready, etc. I used red ice cream pail for when he was sick.n I can't imagine being able to do this but the main thing they said to do was stay calm and be there for him, and that it would happen quickly. I so wish you didn't have to go through this! Treasure every minute!
CG to sp age 53 4/10 BOT IVb 6/10 Ttl Gloss Lrngectmy L Mndbltmy 5+ Nodes 7/10 Cispl & Rad 1/11 recur lung mets 2/11 Clin Tr Erb Carb 5FU last 5/11 7/11 Tumor growth began wkly Bleo, Taxol, Carbo 10/28/11 Hospice; Passed 11/7/11
| | | | Joined: May 2010 Posts: 135 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: May 2010 Posts: 135 | So sorry to hear of Ron's condition. Agree that hospice could be of great assistance to you both. It doesn't matter that he is mobile and as his condition worsens they should be able to help with finding care for when you ae not home as well as helping you know what to expect as things progress.
I agree with Tamvonk that having a CT wouldn't change anything. I, personally, believe strongly in patient's rights including their right to say "enough is enough". Sometimes we want to hold on to our loved ones so much we put our wants ahead of theirs even though they are the ones who bodies are being ravaged by disease and treatments. As for Ron's drinking, it is likely his way of coping with knowledge that his condition is terminal and emotional (and perhaps physical) pain. Obviously he is isn't comfortable talking about his feelings, but "crying and hoping to "hold out until Christmas" shows that he thinking about the end. At this point why try to remove the only coping mechanism he has?
The job of being a caregiver is so hard - the job of letting go even harder. I hope that you will be able to use the time you have to show Ron your love and support and that you will use friends and this forum to help you deal with your fears, anger, frustration.
Aunt diag. 2/4/10 with SCC Stage I/II on left side of tongue. Surgery 2/19/10 part. gloss./neck diss. on left side/free flap from chest muscle. TI/II,NO,MO. Clear margins with perineural invasion. Started rads 4/8/10 - 35 treatments, finished 5/26/10.
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