Good solid info there Brian. Thanks. Since, some years back, I discovered that I'd actually forgotten how to do long division I'll leave the mathematics to those adept at it.

I would hate to see the fear of an admittedly frightening though extremely low-incidence and furthermore now pretty much preventable cancer added to the shrill drumbeat of anti-sex hysteria promulgated by certain elements in American society.

D2

Grin - I agree with the vaccinations totally - I am also totally aware that the stats make it a minuscule number of incindences - and there are always other contributing factors - mostly I was just being facetious!

So have oral sex or drive your car? (Well it's not that simple a choice for some of us, but I wanted to make the point of what is risky and what isn't)

Every 13 minutes someone dies in a car accident in the US.

Here's another one I use in lectures... 3.3 million Americans are allergic to nuts, and even more � 6.9 million � are allergic to seafood. Some of those people go into anaphylactic shock and die. Put some more prawns on the barby will ya mate...

Good on ya for learning a new language Brian
With around 22 million here I would also would have to get the calculator out but will not bother.
Seems simple to me that vaccinations are the way to go.
G'day all!

Charm, just be careful of what type of sex maybe???

Jim here's a news story from the OCF web/news site about contagious cancers that ran in the Boston Globe.

http://oralcancernews.org/wp/contagious-cancers/

I am going to jump in with a question. I have been studying health in my Mini Schnauzers, wait there is a related people question, since they tend to have more of a problem with vaccinations than many breeds. There is an entire plethora of new diseases including vaccinosis and a number of autoimmune diseases being caused by vaccinations and not is just Mini's. I realize that we aren't vaccinated annually, but if you research the subject a vaccinnation effectively sends your immune system into overdrive. I used to be first in line for Flu Vaccinations but now I am very hesitant. If my immune system is off busy dealing with a vaccination am I risking it missing a new MEC cell. I doubt it works that way but............. I just cringe when I see the TV ads to vaccinate your daughter. Autoimmune disease can be a disaster in both us and our Pets.
I can hardly speak to people who give their beloved pets a full blast of every vaccine every year just because the Vet says so.

Seda

Please don't go Jenny McCarthy on us. I have an answer that you won't like. The vaccine overload/ overdrive theory you mention is complete and total nonsense. It's a disservice to OCF members to suggest that getting a flu shot may cause a recurrence. I'm aware of the natural dog food gurus peddling vaccinois as a way to discredit veterinarians who debunk their products but thank god for mandatory rabies vaccine laws. But Brian has been very good in debunking the naturopathic and homeopathic falsehoods one of which is vaccinosis. I'm disappointed to see you raising them here.

For those who don't keep up with psuedoscience and fake medicine, here's a quick summary of the Vaccine overload theory spelled out in Wikipedia

[quote]Vaccine overload is the notion that giving many vaccines at once may overwhelm or weaken a child's immune system and lead to adverse effects.[44] Although the scientific evidence does not support and even contradicts this idea,[43] many parents of autistic children firmly believe that vaccine overload causes autism,[45] and it has caused many parents to delay or avoid immunizing their children.[44] Such parental misperceptions are major obstacles towards immunization of children.[46]

The idea of vaccine overload is flawed, for several reasons.[43] First, vaccines do not overwhelm the immune system; in fact, conservative estimates predict that the immune system can respond to thousands of viruses simultaneously.[43] Moreover, despite the increase in the number of vaccines over recent decades, improvements in vaccine design have reduced the immunologic load from vaccines, such that the number of immunological components in the fourteen vaccines administered to U.S. children in 2009 is less than 10% of what it was in the seven vaccines given in 1980.[43] Furthermore, vaccines constitute only a tiny fraction of the pathogens naturally encountered by a child in a typical year[43] and common childhood conditions such as fevers and middle ear infections pose a much greater challenge to the immune system than vaccines do.[47] Second, studies have shown that vaccinations, and even multiple concurrent vaccinations, do not weaken the immune system[43] or compromise overall immunity.[48] Finally, there is no evidence of an immune-system role in autism.[43] The lack of evidence supporting the vaccine overload hypothesis, combined with these findings directly contradicting it, have led to the conclusion that currently recommended vaccine programs do not "overload" or weaken the immune system.[1][49][50][/quote]

For a Wikipedia article, it's surprisingly good. It was better than Quackwatch's or the NCI
Here is the link to the complete article
Vaccine "controversy"

I know we all worry about cancer coming back but skipping a flu shot is not going to protect you.
Charm

Now back on topic
With all of the stories on HPV and oral sex causing cancer, here is some important information from. Dr. William Lydiatt, division chief for head and neck surgical oncology at the University of Nebraska Medical Center.

[quote]Lydiatt said it may take some 20 years for HPV in the tonsil or tongue to turn into cancer. He said that even though the numbers are going up considerably, the odds of getting the cancer remain extremely slim.

Those odds increase, however, if a person has many sex partners. Abstinence obviously is the most reliable way to avoid transmission of the virus, Lydiatt said. Monogamy also provides considerable protection, he said.[/quote]

Here is the news article I excerpted that from
HPV cancer
Charm

@Charm
Interesting article.

I had wondered why the guys seemed to show up with HPV+ OC more than than gals. Dr. Lydiatt indicates a 3X transmission ratio, but it seems on this forum to be much higher.

I had also wondered about the impact of HPV+ OC on the gay community since little or nothing seems to be written about an epidemic among gay men.

Is HPV+ OC transmission predominately due to heterosexual oral sex (female to male), but HPV+ genital transmission isn't?