| Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4 Member | OP Member Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4 | Hi Guys, My girlfriends father diagnosed with an oral cancer recently. In Turkey, They told them they will need to remove half of the tongue and do surgical operation to remove cancer cells. I am thinking how much the same surgery will cost in US. Keep in mind they don't have any insurance and everything we have to pay will be out of packet. If it is possible could you guys give a estimate. Thank you | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | This website is made up of patients and their caregivers. It wouldnt be possible for any of us to give an estimate. Here in the US, doctors have their fees, then the tests would need to be done, the hospital charges, anesthesiaologist, medications, etc. Ive had operations where the hospital cost alone is $40,000 before all the other charges. Sorry, but its not something that anyone here would know. Best wishes to your father and to you in finding the info you are looking for. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 531 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 531 | thousands and thousands of dollars...I call Ron my million dollar man
CG to Ron Out of Pain 4/3/13 4/12-lung and under chin growth no treatment 1/13/12 lung biopsy 6/11 recur 6/30 resection #2 Clear margins Clear 12/10 Surg 5/13/10 neck dis/nodes part gloss/flap R thigh all teeth out RAD 30 8/10 DX 4/2/10 "Oral Cavity" T3NOMO 12/28/07 Non Hodg Lymph remission 7/08 passed away 4.3.15, RIP Ron, you are greatly missed
| | | | Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4 Member | OP Member Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4 | Thank you for your messages. They went to hospital today to find out what will happen | | | | Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 201 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 201 | One surgeons charge alone for just the surgery was $40,000. There were 4 in the OR.
CG to Sister (42). Smoker quit @ diagnosis Dx 4/20/10 SCC T2N0M0, Rside of tongue Hemigloss R neck dis, all nodes removed 6/2/10, Trach and NG in, home 6/8/10,8/18/2010 start erbitux x6, 30 IMRT end 10/11/10 with only 3x erbitux due to reaction and one week off of rads 1/10/2011 Clear PET!!!
| | | | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | IMRT can cost $5K per treatment. The total bill for that alone was $1/2 million (it was $20K just to program the treatment plan into the machine).
When the doctors and I were exploring the surgery option, they stated it would be a 14 hour surgery - which has got to be more than $40K. The anesthesiologist is typically more expensive than the surgeon. Back to your original question, the way that patients are billed is very convoluted and most fees are submitted separately and sometimes months apart.
There are a few optionsL VA - if he was a veteran, county or medicaid. If he has assets, like a home, they will be attached
Gary Allsebrook *********************************** Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2 Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy) ________________________________________________________ "You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | Just put a number down and start adding zeros to it. Don't forget, use commas.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 Likes: 1 | Ditto to all the above.
Have you considered India or Thailand? My brother and I did some research on this a couple of years ago when he needed heart surgery. He ended up staying here in the U.S. for it, but we did find some very attractive overseas options, both financially and care wise. Cleary if the patient will be needing follow up - radiation, chemo - you'd want someone local. But for the operation alone it might be a consideration.
Keep us posted.
David 2
David 2 SCC of occult origin 1/09 (age 55)| Stage III TXN1M0 | HPV 16+, non-smoker, moderate drinker | Modified radical neck dissection 3/09 | 31 days IMRT finished 6/09 | Hit 15 years all clear in 6/24 | Radiation Fibrosis Syndrome kicked in a few years after treatment and has been progressing since | Prostate cancer diagnosis 10/18
| | | | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 507 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 507 | @Gary The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) regional fee for service schedule for IMRT seems to range between $500 and $700 per treatment. The majority of regions are in the $500 range ( www.CMS.GOV ) I would think private insurers will not pay more that 10-20% over the CMS. But then, I guess a CCC could bill whatever they like. ASTRO shows the billing codes as: IMRT Planning � CPT code 77301 Design and Construction of MLC devices for IMRT � CPT code 77338 IMRT Treatment Delivery 77418 (CPT codes seem to also be referred to as HCPCS codes)
Don TXN2bM0 Stage IVa SCC-Occult Primary FNA 6/6/08-SCC in node<2cm PET/CT 6/19/08-SCC in 2nd node<1cm HiRes CT 6/21/08 Exploratory,Tonsillectomy(benign),Right SND 6/23/08 PEG 7/3/08-11/6/08 35 TomoTherapy 7/16/08-9/04/08 No Chemo Clear PET/CT 11/15/08, 5/15/09, 5/28/10, 7/8/11
| | | | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | And they did bill that to Kaiser, although my understanding was that Kaiser didn't pay what they billed and I was given a copy of the bill as a "courtesy", although I had no copay with UCSFCCC.
Kaiser does their radiation in house now so I was very fortunate to have a top notch RO.
Gary Allsebrook *********************************** Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2 Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy) ________________________________________________________ "You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
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