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#117575 06-07-2010 09:50 AM
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Anyone have there significant other avoiding the emotions and mental strains associated with going through a oral cancer situation? Meaning they don't really give you the support just in terms of being sensitive to and also listening and being concerned because of there own possible fear with it? I'm not sure if I'm making sense it's the best way I can say it I guess.

I feel like my spouse leaves me in the cold when it comes to talking about what I have been through. I'm thinking it's because they can't handle thinking about it but I wanted to weigh the reaction to others who might have experienced a similar response.


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Eric Warman
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E-Dog #117582 06-07-2010 11:24 AM
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Well...with me I am the caregiver and I have a hell of a time getting Carol to talk to me about the emotions she has. Besides being physically drained, she is mentally out of it....At times she lets me know how she feels, but other times she's quiet. I read her body language, her expressions, what she does on a daily basis. I'm always asking her how she's feeling, etc., and I know when to quit...when she's ready to talk, she will. Even when I keep her informed about her appointments, her care, what needs to be done, sometimes she doesn't want to hear it, but knows it'll be taken care of. We've known each other 29 years and on occasion have verbally said what the other person is thinking. Does that make any sense? It's actually scary.

I'm sorry I can't answer your question as in this household it's reversed, but I do know what you're saying. Maybe there are other posters that can answer your questions more eloquently.

Linda





CG/Carol 57;SCC Stage IV L Tonsil T4N2bM0 12/2009
Recur 7/2010 - 2cm mass Invasive SCC L Floor Lower Jaw
Surgery 8/10 - Trach,ND,p. mandibulectomy,pec flap
ypT4aN0 HG Mucoepidermoid carcinoma
2nd Recur 1/18/11 - Tumor lower left lip
Surgery 2/9/11 - Canceled - Inoperable
3/29/11 - Died




ElCee #117585 06-07-2010 11:59 AM
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Yea i find myself being very disappointed.


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E-Dog #117589 06-07-2010 01:39 PM
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This is a very rough disease. Emotionally, physically, financially....it tends to test the very soul, patient and caregiver alike.


CG/Carol 57;SCC Stage IV L Tonsil T4N2bM0 12/2009
Recur 7/2010 - 2cm mass Invasive SCC L Floor Lower Jaw
Surgery 8/10 - Trach,ND,p. mandibulectomy,pec flap
ypT4aN0 HG Mucoepidermoid carcinoma
2nd Recur 1/18/11 - Tumor lower left lip
Surgery 2/9/11 - Canceled - Inoperable
3/29/11 - Died




ElCee #117590 06-07-2010 01:46 PM
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Well if it has tested her then she keeps it to herself it's hard to tell really anymore..


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E-Dog #117961 06-14-2010 09:28 AM
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So today I'm going to see about a small bump on the inside of my near my incision. Needless to say wife seems to have just left me in the cold on any of this from what I gather is her own fears. So I get very little of anything to help. I mean just some kind words even. zilch. Makes as worse as potentially having cancer and or getting it again.

I'm just rambling.



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E-Dog #117962 06-14-2010 09:32 AM
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E-dog,

Does your treatment center have a counselor or therapist that you and/or your wife can talk to? You might not be able to get your wife to go, but it could be helpful to you. I went through treatment with my Mom as caregiver, so the dynamic was totally different, but I do know from talking to other patients, that major illness can be a huge source of problems in any relationship.

- Margaret


Stage IV SCC lt lateral tongue, surgery 5/19/08 (partial gloss/upper neck dissection left side/radial free flap reconstruction) IMRT w/weekly Cisplatin & Erbitux 6/30/08, PEG 1 6/12/08 - out 7/14 (in abdominal wall, not stomach), PEG 2 7/23/08 - out 11/20/08, Tx done 8/18/08
Second SCC tumor, Stage 1, rt mobile tongue, removed 10/18/2016, right neck dissection 12/9/2016
Third SCC tumor, diagnosed, 4/19/2108, rt submandibular mass, HPV-, IMRT w/ weekly Cisplatin, 5/9 - 6/25/2018, PEG 3 5/31/2018
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Yea I might just do that thinks for reminding me.


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Dear Eric,

I'm so sorry your wife is not "responding" to you. I think it's a good idea for you to talk to someone else since she's not there for you at the moment. Hopefully she'll come back around.

I don't know if this will help, but my husband has been cancer free for 5 year's now. The first couple year's out it seemed like any bump, lump or whatever would absolutely freak him out (which is totally understandable). Seeing him so scared/freaked out would make me try to be the calming influence over him. I would talk to him soothlingly and try to reassure him that a bump/lump showing up overnight would not likely be cancer. I tried to be the "voice of reason" if you will. It did seem to help.

Another thought...maybe she's tired of talking about cancer all the time. For a caregiver it's very emotionally draining and maybe she just needs a little break to regenerate herself. I wish you both all the best.

Shelley


Caregiver to husband Ron. Throat Cancer. Finished 35 radiation treatments on 11/21/04. 8/2/11 small lesion on lower gum, laser Procedure to remove. 3/6/12 Doc. removed another lesion on outside of his neck. Did a skin graft from his chest to replace the skin on his neck. Went to Heaven on 6/24/12.
Shelley K #118018 06-15-2010 06:12 AM
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She can't be drained if she hasn't even showed up yet.


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Eric,
My stepdad has kind of checked out of our situation. He is there physically, sometimes he goes to Dr appointments and he spent the night at the hospital a few times during each of her surgeries. Aside from that, I am her emotional support. I am the one that makes appointments. I makek sure she takes all of her meds and eats. I am pushing to get us to Anderson. I pushed to get us an appointment for Duke and to see a new oncologist. When I tuck my mom in at night, I think that if that were me laying in bed, I would want my husband with me. But he sits int he other room and watches tv till 3 in the morning - every night.
Sometimes I wish hed just go live somewhere else and get the hell out of my way if hes not even going to help. I dont know whats going through his head. I guess its just how he 'deals' with things..by not dealing with things.
This post was all about our situation but just wanted to let you know youre not alone


my mom, age 59.

12/08 surgery & 33x rad
4/09 recurrence
5/09 surgery & 35x rad
12/09 recurrence
1/10 surgery. peg tube, trach, fibula free flap
6/10 recurrence. double chemo treatments.
8/10/10 finally at peace in heaven
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Eric,

I had a husband of 23 years who was a wonderful support through my rollercoaster journey with OC. He took time off work and did all the things that a committed Carer should. I thought that we communicated our fears to each other and that after a few difficult times, for both of us, we were travelling well.

How wrong I was! I found out, purely by chance (fate?) that he had been having an 18 month affair with a younger woman who he claimed was initially supporting him by listening to his concerns about my cancer and the stress that it was causing him! The affair developed from there.

I cannot stress enough that you should get counseling ASAP. You two need to be communicating and if it takes a third person to become involved do it. People deal with the stresses of being a Carer in different ways, just as we OC victims all respond differently to our own situations.

I know that some people are unable to cope and distance themselves, as much as possible, from the reality of this disease. Others (like my husband) seem to cope, but clearly have stresses and concerns that they don't verbalise. SEE A COUNSELOR before too much damage is done. I wish we had!

Sue


55 y/o
SCC LL Tongue 3/27/07
Part. mandibulectomy 9/2/07
Left ND 5/12/08
RT/Chemo
Rec LL Tongue 07/09
Part gloss 8/5 & 8/25
Surg 10/28/09 re mets to R neck & L jaw
RT & Chemo finished 12/22/09
PEG fitted 05/06/10
L buccal SCC 10/10
freeflap (forearm)surgery 2/28/11 L buccal and gingiva
E-Dog #118029 06-15-2010 07:54 AM
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I'm sorry Eric, I didn't realize she has never been there for you since you got the cancer...what a shame.

Hugs,

Shelley


Caregiver to husband Ron. Throat Cancer. Finished 35 radiation treatments on 11/21/04. 8/2/11 small lesion on lower gum, laser Procedure to remove. 3/6/12 Doc. removed another lesion on outside of his neck. Did a skin graft from his chest to replace the skin on his neck. Went to Heaven on 6/24/12.
Shelley K #118030 06-15-2010 08:02 AM
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My husband was wonderful. He drove me to all of my treatments and never complained, although I know that it was very hard for him, since I had never been sick before, and the last time I had been hospitalized was when I gave birth. (The "baby" is now 31.) He has had some health issues the past few months, and now they found a mass on his pancreas. Hopefully, it will be OK.


Female, nonsmoker, 70, diag. 5/09 after tongue biopsy: stage IV. Left hemi-gloss. and left selec. neck disec. 30 lymph nodes removed May 20. Over 7 weeks daily rads. with three chemo. PEG removed 12/4/09 Am eating mostly soft foods. Back to work 11/09 Retired 4/1/11. 7 clear scans! Port out 9/11. 2/13. It's back: base of tongue, very invasive
surgery involving lifestyle changes. 2/14: Now speaking w/Passey-Muir valve. Considering a swallow study. Grateful to be alive.
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Eric,

Fear has a way of immobilizing people. Maybe your wife is afraid for you and for herself. Some people won't talk about things because they think verbalizing will make the worst come true. Unfortunately for them, they don't realize that talking about their fears is a good thing and can release lots of tension. She may be afraid to say something that she thinks will upset you. It is hard as a caregiver to deal with the pressure of saying the wrong thing. I am assuming she is your caregiver. If she isn't, well some people just can't do that. They don't have the confidence to do what needs to be done. I know you are the one with cancer and you have been to hell and back. As a caregiver or a spouse, it is easy to fall into the trap that one's worries, concerns and fears are NOTHING compared to what the patient has been through.

Therapy helped me. I was so mired in my husband's cancer care, I lost myself. I hope that you can both work this out. Go for yourself, at least.

All the best--
Anita


Anita (71)
CG to husband, Clark, 82,
DX SCC 11/07, T4N0Mx, PEG 1/08, RAD, post rad infection 3/08,
HBOT 40 dives, ORN, Surg 11/09 mandibulectomy w/fibular graft.
Plastic Surg 4/10, 12/10, 3/11, 10/11, 4/12, 10/12. All PETS clear,
PEG out 1/11. 6/11 non union jaw fracture
Fractured jaw w/surgery 7/14
Aspiration pneumonia 7/21, 10/22, 6/25
PEG 7/21
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