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#105550 10-22-2009 05:52 AM
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I went to get some ecripts filled yesterday and was going to get some money from the money machine. My receipt came back with a couple of dollars balance, WOW, I tried it 2 more times and got the same results. There should have been a few hundred in it but I was broke that fast. GRRRRRRRRRR Talk bout the urge to kill someone, I had it. I came home and got on the phone to my bamk and checked everything out. I was in the hospital the 2 days that my account was drained and put a stop on the cards and will get new ones. Whoever it was should be easy to catch because al of it was used in one area. I wonder what has happened to the ID rule to verify identity . THey had no card but got my number somehow so the ones takking it weren't very particular but just wanted a sale. The bank said I should get some of the money back in a few wekks, LOL but what about for now?? Seems I am up that creek without a boat.


Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April.
--- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
EzJim #105555 10-22-2009 06:34 AM
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Jim, I'm so sorry to hear about your situation. There are unfortunately a lot of slimey people in the world. Unfortunately it is the rare exception when people check for a signature or ID. I have written in my signature line on my VISA "ask for ID". I can't tell you how many sales people never even flip the card over to check for any signature. Good luck in getting things taking care of. You certainly don't need this on top of everything else. Like mom used to say "when it rains, it pours".


Wanda (47) caregiver to husband John (56) age at diag.(2009)
1-13-09 diagnosed Stage IV BOT SCC (HPV+)
2-12-09 PEG placed, 7-6-09 removed
Cisplatin 7 weeks, 7 weeks (35) IMRT
4-15-09 - treatment completed
8-09,12-09-CT Scans clear, 4-10,6-11-PET Scans clear
4-2013 - HBO (30 dives) tooth extraction
10-2019 - tooth extraction, HBO (10 dives)
11-2019 - Left lateral tongue SCC - Stage 2
slim #105563 10-22-2009 09:26 AM
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Jim,
I don't think you are not liable.

Federal law limits Credit Card liability to $50 when your Card has actually been stolen and you have no liability when stolen numbers are used.

The liability for the fraud is on the Merchant and the bank should process a chargeback and restore your funds as soon as you sign an affidavit confirming that the charges are indeed fraudulent.


Don
TXN2bM0 Stage IVa SCC-Occult Primary
FNA 6/6/08-SCC in node<2cm
PET/CT 6/19/08-SCC in 2nd node<1cm
HiRes CT 6/21/08
Exploratory,Tonsillectomy(benign),Right SND 6/23/08
PEG 7/3/08-11/6/08
35 TomoTherapy 7/16/08-9/04/08 No Chemo
Clear PET/CT 11/15/08, 5/15/09, 5/28/10, 7/8/11

DonB #105575 10-22-2009 11:41 AM
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Credit card liability is limited, but that does not always hold for debit cards.


Flip
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Age: 54 SCC Tonsil + 3 nodes
Radiation and Carboplatin
Treatment 4/1 - 6/7/2009
No surgery, no PEG
Never smoked
Drink socially (brew my own beer and love wine. A bottle of scotch lasts me a couple of years)
CT 11/4/09 No sign of envolvement in Tonsil or nodes
EzJim #105576 10-22-2009 12:09 PM
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We went through this a year ago after my husband's wallet was pickpocketed. If you haven't done so already, contact your bank's fraud unit and ask the people there if they recommend filing a police report as well; if they do, then do so ASAP. (The fraud unit at our bank required that.)

If you have not done so, immediately contact one of the three main credit bureaus -- Experian, TransUnion or Equifax -- and ask for a fraud alert to be put on your file. (Contacting one will trigger notifications to the other two.) The bank may also offer you free credit monitoring of your account for a year or so.

A section of the Federal Trade Commission website is devoted to identity theft, listing the steps you need to take and the contact information for the credit bureaus. Be warned: There's a fair bit of paperwork involved in following all the recommended steps, but most of it can be done online through the links on the FTC Identity Theft site.


Leslie

April 2006: Husband dx by dentist with leukoplakia on tongue. Oral surgeon's biopsy 4/28/06: Moderate dysplasia; pathology report warned of possible "skip effect." ENT's excisional biopsy (got it all) 5/31/06: SCC in situ/small bit superficially invasive. Early detection saves lives.
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FYI,
Debit card liability is also limited by Federal Law and isn't really any different than a Credit card when stolen numbers were used (without your PIN) and you have promptly notify the bank.

DonB #105583 10-22-2009 02:22 PM
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Actually there are significant legal differences between credit cards and debit cards. According to the US Dept of Justice's Office of Victim crime fact sheet.
credit cards fall under the Fair Credit Billing Act which provides
* If reported within 60 days, maximum liability for the unauthorized use of the credit card is $50
* If reported before fraudulent use, cannot be held responsible for any unauthorized charges
Contrast that to a debit card which falls under Electronic Funds Transfer Act

*
Limited time to report loss or unauthorized use of card
*
If debit card is reported missing before it is used, cannot be held responsible for any unauthorized charges or withdrawals
*
If reported within 2 business days, cannot be held responsible for more than $50
*
If reported after two business days but before 60 days, the most you could lose is $500

For most of us, the $450 difference is a big deal. Plus with a debit card, In case of fraudulent charges/losses, consumer often has to fight with bank to have funds replaced while you don't have to pay a disputed credit card account.



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Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+
2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG
2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery
25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin
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I had every thing done yesterday after I was checking my card on the net. police report and all. I even naiked the one that did it by good guess work on my part. She tried to lie until I mentioned that most places have cameras and bluffed her by saying the cameras showed her in them. She is supposed to repay me the 3rd when she gets her check and if not, hell with her. She can sit behind the little round bars called a cell. Her dad called me a few minutes ago all upset about his little girl , LOL No feelings from me tho.


Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April.
--- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
EzJim #105598 10-22-2009 04:43 PM
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Jim

Not only a survivor, but a veritable Sherlock Holmes. Congratulations. You are a saint to give her until the third to repay you. My cold lawyer heart would make the bank recredit my account immediately if the father or daughter did not bring over cash tonight- hey it sounds cheaper than the bail bond they are facing if you bring charges.
Just be sure not to let the bank off the hook here as it would be better for you to have your account recredited right now and she can pay the bank. The bank is supposed to investigate and credit your account within 10 days of your notification of fraud. As I was Pming with DonB, it seems to me that you should get the full amount back considering the public relations aspect of "legally robbing" a cancer patient undergoing treatment if they do not. I refuse to have a debit card and only use credit cards.


65 yr Old Frack
Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+
2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG
2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery
25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin
Apaghia /G button
2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa
40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin

Passed away 4-29-13
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Dang, I hate it when I miss a technicality. DonB is 100% correct that if your debit card is not stolen or lost, just your "numbers", the liability protections are the same as with credit cards. DonB was nice enough to school me in private. I should have just made my objection about debit cards on the fact that the money stays in my bank account with credit card fraud as well as read EZJim's post as carefully and correctly as DonB did.
Charm


65 yr Old Frack
Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+
2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG
2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery
25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin
Apaghia /G button
2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa
40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin

Passed away 4-29-13
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