yeh, I agree, getting the gunk out is a good thing, and sure got loads out and swelling in front of neck has gone down considerably, unfortunately, i feel better but now Packer hurts..........i started telling docs the beginning of week something was going, took til friday to get him started on antibiotics, or we would have had to wait, man I hate weekends, always seems that`s when stuff happens.....Thanks, appreciate fistula stories.............Dee