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#96174 05-27-2009 01:49 PM
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Hello everyone,

I'm pleased to announce that I am going to be doing some writing for the Foundation. Everything I write will be reviewed/approved by the medical community/scientists involved in this Foundation.

My current topic, which I have been researching extensively, is regarding complications from treatment - specifically Candida (thrush). I have read numerous posts from those members who have suffered from this problem, and I welcome any additional input/experiences on the topic.

While I am researching each topic extensively through a variety of medical sites and sources, nothing is more important than the information obtained from those who have experienced the topics upon which I will be writing. While medical professionals have tremendously important information to share, the experiences, ideas, input and personal stories of those who have gone through (or are currently going through) the experience cannot be overstated.

Thank you in advance for any help you can provide. Once again, I assure you that everything I write will go through a stringent approval process by the Foundation.

Best to all of you,
Jackie

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I am close to 3 years out and my tongue is always coated and I do everything possible to be normal. My dry mouth is not bad at all and my taste is very good. I ride my bike appx 100 miles a week, averaging 20 mph and I don't have one issue with dry mouth. I brush with Biotene toothpaste; chew Biotene gum; drink water all day; brush my tongue; eat healthy foods and even eat active yogurt daily, etc, yet I have had thrush twice since my Tx ended and I'm just wondering what's the connection I'm missing or is it just connected to what dry mouth issues I do have?

Oops, I forgot, Welcome


David

Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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David,
My Thrush used to return everytime someone put me on antibiotics. I had to take thrush medicine at the same time to counter it. However, since I've been taking Levaquin, I have not had the problem in my mouth, although the speech therapist says my prosthesis in my neck needs replacing so often because of thrush. I take nystain daily to counter this but it never clears it up completely.

Take care,
Eileen


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Aug 1997 unknown primary, Stage III
mets to 1 lymph node in neck; rt ND, 36 XRT rad
Aug 2001 tiny tumor on larynx, Stage I total laryngectomy; left ND
June 5, 2010 dx early stage breast cancer
June 9, 2011 SCC 1.5 cm hypo pharynx, 70% P-16 positive, no mets, Stage I
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Hey,

Again, I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, however I do have an interesting account to give you;

My wife took a night job as a CNA in a nursing home so she could drive me across the state for TX during the day. As usual corporate America required that she take yet ANOTHER round of training and testing for the job that was well below her skill level.

What luck that was, during her training she came across materials covering the treatment of thrush in the elderly. The one point that seems to be missed by almost everyone is that dairy products are a HUGE no-no.

After weeks of thrush treatment that was just flat not working, I was forced, kicking and screaming to switch to soy milk. The thrush cleared right up and I switched back to whole milk. Been fine since.

Again this needs to be investigated and properly supported, however it worked for me.

Two years out and kicking like a mule!

UncleVern


ENT conjectures before, no PET approved by HMO. Metastasis 11/06. CT 2/07: mass RT sub-mandibular gland. 7 CM mass/tonsil, base of tongue removed, biopsies 2/07 and 3/07. Vein lost, RT face numb. PET scan: spot in chest, un-investigated. Oral surgery 4/07. 3X Cisplatin and 32X IMRT from 4/07-5/07.
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Ive had thrush several times. Usually after taking an antibiotic. My diet is also very high in yogurt which should help to counter-balance the antibiotic.

When I get thrush it is a matter of hours from when I feel the first little tingle of something not being right in my mouth. Specifically, my tongue tingles a little and starts to ache. Within 2 hours it will be coated white and be very sore. My doctor has given me Mycelex tablets that dissolve in your mouth. They even work with someone who suffers from dry mouth.


Christine
SCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44
2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07
-65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr
Clear PET 1/08
4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I
surg 4/16/08 clr marg
215 HBO dives
3/09 teeth out, trismus
7/2/09 recur, Stg IV
8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy
3wks medicly inducd coma
2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit
PICC line IV antibx 8 mo
10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg
OC 3x in 3 years
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Well Vern and Christine, You botjh have helped me . I drink a half gallon of milk about every 2 to 3 dau=ys . Really that counts what I put on cereal too. And Christine, I will check out the Mycelex tablets too. I do brush regularly with biotene ond use their mouth wash too. I ahve to find something to use some of this energy on now tho. I just can't sit. maybe I should ride a bike 20 mi a day like David does, but when would I find the time to be in here?? That has gotta be tough. LOL


Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April.
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Uncle Vern,

Its not just dairy that should be avoided when you have thrush. It is any carbohydrate that will turn into sugar. The basic rule is avoid anything that is WHITE. I had a rampant case of thrush for 6 months during and after radiation that just would not clear up regardless of the meds. I finally ran into a dentist that told me to avoid anything WHITE and was able to get rid of it. It's a yeast infection, it feeds on sugar which is also why your Nystatin needs to be made sugar free.

Take care,
Eileen


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Aug 1997 unknown primary, Stage III
mets to 1 lymph node in neck; rt ND, 36 XRT rad
Aug 2001 tiny tumor on larynx, Stage I total laryngectomy; left ND
June 5, 2010 dx early stage breast cancer
June 9, 2011 SCC 1.5 cm hypo pharynx, 70% P-16 positive, no mets, Stage I
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Hey Eileen,

Yep I had heard that too, however I just have not been able to swallow breads and pasta tastes like saw dust or, well lets not go there .. LOL

Thanks for reminding me about the white,


Senile old indian man


ENT conjectures before, no PET approved by HMO. Metastasis 11/06. CT 2/07: mass RT sub-mandibular gland. 7 CM mass/tonsil, base of tongue removed, biopsies 2/07 and 3/07. Vein lost, RT face numb. PET scan: spot in chest, un-investigated. Oral surgery 4/07. 3X Cisplatin and 32X IMRT from 4/07-5/07.
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OK I have been and still am a avid fat free milk drinker. Just like Jim, a gallon every couple of days.

Are we saying that milk contributes to my getting the damn stuff?

Should I switch to soy to avoid the potential?


David

Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Hi Martin got thrush on the gums while going through TX. He had like a whithe moss growing on his gums. he got prescribed and antibiotic and it cleared in a week or less. they never advised us on foods to avoid, but I think they were more concerned about the weight at the time.
Martin has not had thrush since (*touch wood*). but he brushes his teeth with special sensodyne and covers his teeth and gums with gel-kam every night.


Girlfriend to Martin 49 years old at diagnosis
Diagnosed with SCC unknown primary June 2008.
Cancer found in single node Stage N2A (3 to 6cm).
Tonsilectomy 16th june, Radical modified neck dissection left side 30th june.
30 TX radiotherapy ended 9th October
First comparative study scan came back clear
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