#94081 04-22-2009 09:44 AM | Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 247 Likes: 1 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 247 Likes: 1 | My husband, Bob, had a very serious choking episode while trying to swallow a pill. It really was a near miss. I was in position to perform Heimlich manuver, when he recovered. I will discuss this with ENT at 5/15 appt. He previously had minor difficulty with a much larger pill (Musinex). At that time, I told him to report this to ENT but he did not. Fortunately, the only pill Bob takes on a regular basis is Coumadin, which is small and has not been a problem.
A few questions: I know to check regarding which pills can be crushed. Time released, such as Musinex, cannot. Anyone use bread or food rather than liquids? Any other tips?
The other problem this has created is with me. I have not been able to get this episode out of my mind. It started me on a path of reliving this whole horrible dx, treatment, and its aftermath. I was very anxious about everything for a few days and am still not back to normal. Second F/U PET and ENT, RO, & MO eval all due in May. Lottie
CG to husband, dx @ age 65, nonsmoker/social drinker. Dx 5/08 SCC Stage IV, BOT T1N2aM0. 33 IMRT - completed 9/12/08. Induction Chemo (Cisplatin, Taxotere & 5FU), plus concurrent Cisplatin. 1/09 PEG removed; 5/09 neg PET/CT; 5/10 PET/CT NED Dental extraction & HBOT 2013; ORN 2014; Debridement/Tissue Transfer & HBOT 2016
| | | | Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 21 Member | Member Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 21 | Because of moderate dry mouth, I roll any pills in a tub of spreadable butter to apply a thin coating. I use specifically 'I can't believe it's not butter'. This helps greatly for me. I still use liquid to wash it down even with the butter. The chalky pills give me alot more trouble than the nice smooth capsules.
Last edited by Kevin76; 04-22-2009 11:49 AM.
Age 33, NS, HPV- 8/01- At 25, SCC on tongue,3cm lesion remvd. L nk diss clr nodes 10/07- 2cm SCC remvd from L tongue 4/08- SCC on L tonsil,tonslctmy,2 wks later PET showed golf-ball szd tumor in tongue. PEG.IMRT x 35 Cisplatin x 3 ended 7/08. Peg out feb 09 -Clear PET Dec 2010 | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | I agree with Kevin. Unless they are very smooth, I have choked a few times. THe large smooth ones go down much easier than some half the size that are chalky and a little rough. THey all hang up at the top of my throat.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 216 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 216 | Kevin! You're a genius! I have often wondered about what to do with these pills for my husband as well. We've cut, crushed, requested liquids, etc. I had never thought of butter! The capsules always go down well but the dry pills don't. Thanks for the tip.
CG to H with SCC BOT T4N2cM0 dx 12/19/08, teeth removed pre-tx; Erbitux & RT-done 3/12/09, PEG 2/9/09-7/14/09; ND 6/16. Pet 6/12-no mets except lymph node in neck removed on 6/16. Chyle leak,2nd surg to repair. Dilate esophagus 4/15/10. Clear PET 12/17/10
| | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 66 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 66 | I have this problem all the time. Aspirating one of these is a serious issue. I am careful to drink first to wet my throat and mouth, and I sometime find that placed in a spoonful of yogurt they go right down. When they get caught (often) I bend over so they thy are disinclined to continue down towards my lungs, and after taking a really deep inhale through the nose, I cough air out as forcefully as possible. So far I have gotten all of them out that were on the verge of going to the wrong place.... but this is a continuing problem.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | | | Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 247 Likes: 1 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 247 Likes: 1 | Thank you Brian, Kevin, Jim. I've passed the suggestions on to my husband and will post if ENT has any other ideas.
I understand that Speech Therapists caution not to hyperextend the neck. It seems counterintuitive but dropping the chin slightly, after moving pill all the way to back of throat, is recommended. Anyone tried that with success?
CG to husband, dx @ age 65, nonsmoker/social drinker. Dx 5/08 SCC Stage IV, BOT T1N2aM0. 33 IMRT - completed 9/12/08. Induction Chemo (Cisplatin, Taxotere & 5FU), plus concurrent Cisplatin. 1/09 PEG removed; 5/09 neg PET/CT; 5/10 PET/CT NED Dental extraction & HBOT 2013; ORN 2014; Debridement/Tissue Transfer & HBOT 2016
| | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 66 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 66 | its not anatomically counterintuitive if you think about what opening is getting compressed when you put your chin on your chest.... good idea. I'll try it the next time.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | | | Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 | This was a big problem for me for several years after treatments. It has eased some now. I had one particular episode with a rounded smooth larger pill that scared the ---- out of me. For quite a while after that every pill was a problem. I came to realize that anxiety (about the pill) prior to taking it made things much worse. I use milk for pills that might cause trouble. I also have gained a great deal of confidence by popping the pill into a small mouthfull of chewed food and swallowing them all at once. This works so easily that I am able to get down even the largest (horse pills). I'd like to know why some tablet manufacturers make large cube shaped gems with rough edges???? 
Mark, 21 Year survivor, SCC right tonsil, 3 nodes positive, one with extra-capsular spread. I never asked what stage (would have scared me anyway) Right side tonsillectomy, radical neck dissection right side, maximum radiation to both sides, no chemo, no PEG, age 40 when diagnosed.
| | | | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 622 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 622 Likes: 1 | The butter idea works well for me, not just on pills but other regular foods as well. It is not fun eating something only to have to come back out of your nose because of the choking. I saw my mom live with this all of my life (and hers). It is something you never quite get used to 18 YEAR SURVIVOR SCC Tongue (T3N0M0) diag 06/2006. No evidence of disease 2010 Another PET 12-2014 pre-HBO, still N.E.D.
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