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Don,

Help me here, are you male or female? I'm not sure how you are afraid of transmitting the virus.

Also keep in mid that by age 50 an estimated 80% of the female population has been exposed to HPV and only a very small percentage of exposures leads to cancer.


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I think when the CDC claims that a large proportion of the sexually active population has been exposed to HPV, they are talking about the full range of HPV. It would be interesting to see the stats on just the high risk types. I bet the numbers are much lower. Probably in the 20% range. I believe the #'s for high risk HPV strains that integrate are lower still. Probably only 1-2% of the population.

There are some interesting questions regarding transmission and expression of HPV that I have, e.g. why the lack of mutual oral HPV related cancers in spouses or partners? I've read one case study where that happened, but based on these forums, it seems highly unlikely. If transmission is easily carried via fluids, i'd suspect to see much higher #'s. I think a similiar model to this may be chronic hepatitis b carriers.

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THe CDC numbers are on all types of HPV, but your GUESS of high risk types is just that. The CDC has no data on the ratio between high risk and non malignancy producing types.


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A call to explore a broader use of HPV (human papillomavirus) vaccines and the validation of a simple oral screening test for HPV-caused oral cancers are reported in two studies by a Johns Hopkins Kimmel Cancer Center investigator.

Leading HPV expert Maura Gillison, M.D., Ph.D., the first to identify HPV infection as the cause of certain oral cancers and who identified multiple sex partners as the most important risk factor for these cancers, reports her latest work in the November 3, 2008, journal Clinical Cancer Research and in a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) monograph. The CDC report on HPV-associated cancers appears on line November 3 and in the November 15, 2008, supplement edition of Cancer.

In the CDC report, believed to be the first and most comprehensive assessment of HPV-associated cancer data in the United States, investigators analyzed cancer registry data from 1998-2003 and found 25,000 cancer cases each year occurred at cancer sites associated with HPV infection. In additional analysis, Gillison and colleagues at the National Cancer Institute identified HPV infection as the underlying cause of approximately 20,000 of these cancers.

Gillison and team found approximately 20,000 cases of cancer in the United States each year are caused by HPV infection. Oral cancers are the second most common type of HPV-associated cancers and are increasing in incidence in the U.S., particularly among men. Add to that anal, penile, vaginal, and vulvar cancers that are also linked to HPV infection, and Gillison says these cancers, when combined, equal the number of cervical cancers, the most common and well known of the cancers caused by HPV.

While about one-quarter of HPV-linked cancers occur in men, vaccines are currently approved only for use in girls and young women for cervical cancer prevention. �We need to have a more comprehensive discussion of the potential impact the HPV vaccine could have on cancer rates among men and women in this country,� says Gillison, associate professor of oncology. �Currently available HPV vaccines have the potential to reduce the rates of HPV-associated cancers, like oral and anal cancers, that are currently on the rise and for which there no effective or widely-applied screening programs.� Gillison notes, however, that studies are needed to confirm that the vaccine effectively prevents HPV infections that lead to oral and anal cancers.

Gillison�s findings were part of a project known as ABHACUS (Assessing the Burden of Human Papillomavirus-Associated Cancers). The data studied came from the CDC�s National Program of Cancer Registries and the National Cancer Institute�s Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results program. More than 80 investigators from across the country participated in the project, which addressed a variety of HPV-cancer associated issues, including racial disparity, economic impact, behavioral risk factors, and cancer mortality.

Other then prevention, early detection is held by cancer experts as the best way to control cancer. In the Clinical Cancer Research study, the first to track the disease and related oral infections over an extended period, Gillison found that simple �swish and spit� oral rinses can successfully track oral HPV infection over time. These findings open the door to a potential, non-invasive screening test to detect the disease and monitor for tumor recurrence. Head and neck cancer is the broad term for a variety of cancers of the oral cavity, including the tonsils, base of the tongue, and the side and back wall of the throat.

The study found that oral rinses successfully detected high-risk HPV infections in patients with HPV 16-positive head and neck cancers for up to five years after treatment for their cancer. Gillison says the findings indicate a high rate of persistent infection and reaffirms the connection between high-risk types of HPV and HPV-positive head and neck cancers.

In the study, the researchers used oral rinses to collect cells shed from inside the mouths of 135 head and neck cancer patients. The researchers genetically sequenced the DNA obtained from the rinses and tumor samples to identify those with HPV-positive cancers and determine the HPV type. There are approximately 120 types of HPV, but HPV 16 is one of the two most common associated with cancer.

The analysis revealed 44 patients with HPV 16-positive tumors and found that these patients were more likely to have continuing oral HPV 16 infections both before and after cancer treatment. While this study did not link the continued post-treatment infections to tumor recurrence, it was noted that patients with high-risk oral HPV infections prior to therapy, maintained high rates of infection after completing therapy. The team plans further, long-term research to determine if this continued infection leads to cancer recurrence.

In 2000, Gillison identified HPV-positive head and neck cancer as a distinct subtype of the disease and linked it to improved survival.

�There is no question of cause,� says Gillison. �It has now become a question of tracking the infection over time to identify those at risk of developing cancer or cancer recurrence.�

Other researchers participating in the study include Yuri Agrawal, Wayne M. Koch, Weihong Xiao, William H. Westra, Anna L. Trivett, and David E. Symer.

The research was funded by the Oral Cancer Foundation, (your donations at work) the National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research, and the National Cancer Institute.


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Thanks Brian,
Now I have a question; three weeks ago at my semi-annual ENT check up (all good) I asked my ENT if there was a chance my pathology samples were still in storage and if a HPV test would still be an option. He was somewhat astounded at my question but said he would ask. It turns out that they keep the samples for 10 years. They do not have any medical reason for testing them and that would require sending them to Mayo (or others).

The thousand dollar question, would it be wise to pay out of pocket for the test given that the future is still pretty hazy as far as HPV+ long term follow-up?

The ten-thousand dollar question, is there a study going on that would like my pathology samples to add to their data?


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Law requires to keep them for seven, so you are lucky. JH has the lab with the most data and I would send it to them. Have your doctor send all the clinical data that goes along with your case so that they can add you to their collected data. Gillison is moving this week to Ohio to work there. Let me check with her about what they are collecting as far as facts before you do anything, and if that data base is going to go with her. As to it's value to you... what's gonna happen, is what's gonna happen. What you know isn't going to change things.


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Hey Mark, if it matters I would be interested in knowing the results but before you ask....NO, I will not pay to have your slides tested. lol


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David,

I am definitely a male thank you. I am concerned about transmitting the virus should I have intimate contact with a woman, esp through oral sex, but I imagine also capable through kissing or so the info boards tell me. The fact that so many females would have been exposed already does not seem to offer them (or me) any sort of protection against infection, reinfection or acquisition of a new strain (mine). The possible approval of Gardasil or other vaccine would not seem to be of benefit either since any vaccine prevents infection through creation of antibodies and we have already been exposed, expressed, etc and presumably have more than our fair share of HPV antibodies. Per Brian, Dr. Gillison's research appears to confirm my concern that I am likely still quite actively infected and capable of passing the virus ("The study found that oral rinses successfully detected high-risk HPV infections in patients with HPV 16-positive head and neck cancers for up to five years after treatment for their cancer. Gillison says the findings indicate a high rate of persistent infection"). This alarms me greatly since I imagine that the virus could well re-manifest as it did before. The stats don't support this but common sense and logic point to such a conclusion.

Really guys, I want to thank you both for such excellent information and feedback. This site has been a great find for me. I'm going to push my oncologist for this "swish test" at follow ups to track my infections.


DON - Age 49 at Dx 2/08, HPV 16+ HNSCC, T1N2bM0, Stage IV BOT + 2 nodes L&R, non smoker, casual drinker. Treated w/ Cisplatin x4,concurrent IMRT x37, Cetuximab x10, no surgery (other than feeding tube, twice!), no Peg, Tx at Massey Cancer Center VCU, concluded 7/25/08. 3 scans clean now !!! YEAH!!!
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Please understand that the swish test, is referring just to a simple collection method. Testing for the virus, and its subtypes is a time consuming expensive process. Your insurance is not going to pay for this as the test is part of a clinical trial OCF conducted with Gillison. PCR testing and other methods are capable of finding the virus. But they are done slightly differently by each laboratory so if you are into paying for this out of pocket, stay with the same lab each time.


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