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Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | If anyone wants to put their troubles in perspective just visit the children's cancer ward. I did 2 years ago and I still have images and thoughts that haunt me. Oscar, Don't beat yourself up over HOW or especially WHY you got OC. Do get tested and if HPV is present don't think you had something to do with it because continuing research is showing that HPV may be just as easy to come in contact with as a common cold. Well maybe not that easy but certainly a lot easier than first thought. They are finding many many different ways one can be "infected" and they still believe that it can lay dormant for decades before acting up and they have yet to find out how it goes of stays dormant; what triggers it's period of activity and especially why or when that period of activity may lead to cancer.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Brian, You and I have talked many times about HPV but I forgot if you told me or if I even asked but how do/did they test for the post Tx presence of HPV orally?
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 66 | There is no oral test for HPV. The company that has the only FDA approved test for cervical is considering the options to make an oral assay system. The essential problem is the cervix is tiny and easy to sample, the oral cavity is a huge place to sample from. Removed cells can be examined in a couple of ways the most common is PCR testing which is expensive and manually done. Not practical as a general screening technique.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant.
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Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Then how did their tests conclude that there was a presence of HPV post Tx orally or did I misunderstand what you said?
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 66 | Cells are collected from specific sites in OC patients. (This is not a screening like you would do for the general public.) In these patients, the cells were collected by biopsy, manually PCR tested in clinical trial situations. There is no HPV screening test for the general public.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant.
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Joined: May 2008 Posts: 551 | Brian, Forgive my ignorance... what does PRC tested mean? Thanks! 
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Stage IV SCC lt lateral tongue, surgery 5/19/08 (partial gloss/upper neck dissection left side/radial free flap reconstruction) IMRT w/weekly Cisplatin & Erbitux 6/30/08, PEG 1 6/12/08 - out 7/14 (in abdominal wall, not stomach), PEG 2 7/23/08 - out 11/20/08, Tx done 8/18/08
Second SCC tumor, Stage 1, rt mobile tongue, removed 10/18/2016, right neck dissection 12/9/2016
Third SCC tumor, diagnosed, 4/19/2108, rt submandibular mass, HPV-, IMRT w/ weekly Cisplatin, 5/9 - 6/25/2018, PEG 3 5/31/2018
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Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 | Margaret, This probably should be PCR which stands for Polymerase Chain Reaction... It basically means they will test if a certain DNA sequence (ie HPV 16 etc) is present. It is amazingly sensitive. So the idea is they test the DNA of the cells and see if the sequence of the virus are there as well. It is a needle in the haystack thing. This also points to the achilles heel of this test. You can test all you want and the result is negative unless you sample these cells that are infected by the virus. .... if you see your cancer then it is easy to know WHAT to test. Otherwise the question is which cells are your testing... anterior tongue, BOT, floor of mouth, cheek etc. M
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Partial glossectomy (25%) anterior tongue. 4/6/07/. IMRT start @5/24/07 (3x) Erbitux start/end@ 5/24/07. IMRT wider field (30x) start 6/5/07. Weekly cisplatin (2x30mg/m2), then weekly carbo- (5x180mg/m2). End of Tx 19 July 07.
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Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 66 | Polymerase Chain Reaction. It is essentially a DNA test that can be used for lots of things. Not cheap or fast. http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/CT/polymerase_chain_reaction.phpAnother test that works for this is an in situ hybridization test. http://www.answers.com/topic/in-situ-hybridizationThis is really beyond what any cancer patient needs to know about right now.
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Joined: May 2008 Posts: 551 | Thank you both! Yes, its probably more than I need to know, but its kinda cool to know it.
Stage IV SCC lt lateral tongue, surgery 5/19/08 (partial gloss/upper neck dissection left side/radial free flap reconstruction) IMRT w/weekly Cisplatin & Erbitux 6/30/08, PEG 1 6/12/08 - out 7/14 (in abdominal wall, not stomach), PEG 2 7/23/08 - out 11/20/08, Tx done 8/18/08
Second SCC tumor, Stage 1, rt mobile tongue, removed 10/18/2016, right neck dissection 12/9/2016
Third SCC tumor, diagnosed, 4/19/2108, rt submandibular mass, HPV-, IMRT w/ weekly Cisplatin, 5/9 - 6/25/2018, PEG 3 5/31/2018
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Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | I was never told I had HPV from any test but was told that I have a very unique form of oral cancer. Whatever that means. It's like the 16 days or so Ilost from my memory bank,, I was told I am better off not knowing about those days. I quit asking questions about them.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April.
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