| Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 706 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 706 | Michelle- Neil had a re-focus towards the end of his radiation also. They try to narrow the field of radiation to spare the surrounding area. That's how it was explained to us. Neil's tastebuds are starting to come back now. He is about 4 months post radiation. He is also starting to get feeling back in his face which is something they said might not happen. Nerves have a mind of their own sometimes. You can't be everywhere at once. Maybe you can call the doctor for a recap of what you missed. Sue
cg to husband, 48 Stage 1V head and neck SCC. First surgery 9/07. Radiation and several rounds of chemo followed. Mets to chest and lungs. "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain." Went home to God on February 22, 2009.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 939 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 939 | David, (Sorry Michelle, to hijack the thread for a moment)
I can understand why a general RO (and their nurses) would give info regarding taste buds, saliva, etc. that is not accurate as far as statistics is concerned, but for dedicated H & N docs and there crew to do that bewilders me. After years of seeing only H & N pts., they should know that these functions don't return that quickly....and that each person is very individual in their recovery timelines. I would think a better answer would be "while we see faster and slower recoveries, the average is blah, blah." Surely they have records to show to give them a good idea about these things???
Deb
Deb..caregiver to husband, age 63 at diagnosis, former smoker who quit in 1997. DIAGNOSIS: 6/26/07 SCC right tonsil/BOT T4N0M0 TREATMENT START: 8/9/07 cisplatin/taxol X 7..IMRT twice daily X 31.5. TREATMENT END: 10/1/07 PEG OUT: 1/08 PORT OUT: 4/09 FOLLOWUP: Now only annual exams. ALL CLEAR!
Passed away 1/7/17 RIP Bill
| | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 598 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 598 | I had almost exactly the same regimen -- 35 IMRT, 4 "Boost" sessions, 8 Cisplatin. My rad sessions were distributed a little differently. The first 28 or so included both sides of the neck, the tongue/head, and the upper chest. After about 28, the upper chest was eliminated. After 35, they still did neck and head, but added time to the tumor itself.
So far so good!
Jeff SCC Right BOT Dx 3/28/2007 T2N2a M0G1,Stage IVa Bilateral Neck Dissection 4/11/2007 39 x IMRT, 8 x Cisplatin Ended 7/11/07 Complete response to treatment so far!!
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Michelle:
Its much better to add treatments now than later. From my understanding, radiation can only be done once to a particular area. The last few radiation visits for me were long ones because they focused more on the 2 cancer spots I had.
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 | I would like to know what side effect he has that caused them to stop the Salagen. The fact that he is still has saliva is allowing him to eat even if he can't taste it. I took Salagen all through treatment and for two years after. Also I lost all my taste except salt by treatment 9 and it only took a few months to get most of my taste back. However, I couldn't eat any dry foods like bread or crackers, all foods had to have moisture and that was on salagen. I can't imagine what it is like without it. Also , use plastic utensils to eat so he does have metallic taste. I would question why the stop of Salagen.
Take care, Eileen
---------------------- Aug 1997 unknown primary, Stage III mets to 1 lymph node in neck; rt ND, 36 XRT rad Aug 2001 tiny tumor on larynx, Stage I total laryngectomy; left ND June 5, 2010 dx early stage breast cancer June 9, 2011 SCC 1.5 cm hypo pharynx, 70% P-16 positive, no mets, Stage I
| | | | Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 341 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | OP Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 341 | What I have found out so far is the the reason for stopping Salagen is the mucous and hoarseness - these are both rare side effects of the drug. I still don't think I agree with stopping it when you compare risks/benefits... I plan to get a 2nd opinion on the salagen from ENT and MO. The RO also said he thought the Salagen could be affecting taste buds... I can't find any thing to support that.
Michelle, CG to husband (45), DX 2/08 Stage IVa Adenocarcinoma Salivary Gland (T2N2bMO) Parotidectomy & ND 2/08, Tumor margins not clear, 4 of 30 nodes positve for cancer, TX IMRT 39x, cisplatin 7x (completed 5/1/08), PEG (4/22 - 7/9), No port. Currently in remission!
| | | | Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 | Are you at a major cancer treatment center? We all had heavy thick mucous. I was given Guiafenix (sp) for it and it helped some. We all lost most our taste. The fact that they are frying his saliva gland would make me want to continue the Salagen but I'm not a doctor.
How many H&N patients has the doc treated? Has he given others Salagen? How does he account for the loss of taste and mucous in his patients not receiving Salagen? Also there is no requirement that he take 4 pills a day. My recommended dose was 3-6, whatever worked best for me. One other thought, did you rent the suction machine? I'm certain that would help during the day. Biotine mouth spray also may help in addition to the baking soda/salt rinses.
Take care, Eileen
---------------------- Aug 1997 unknown primary, Stage III mets to 1 lymph node in neck; rt ND, 36 XRT rad Aug 2001 tiny tumor on larynx, Stage I total laryngectomy; left ND June 5, 2010 dx early stage breast cancer June 9, 2011 SCC 1.5 cm hypo pharynx, 70% P-16 positive, no mets, Stage I
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Deb,
That was the most disturbing part of my Tx, i.e. his nurse telling me that I was really having a tough time and my taste and saliva should return within a couple of months and I naturally assumed she knew what she was talking about.
It's real funny yy first post on this site was about 2 weeks post Tx and I was having a tough time and I described what I was going through and what I was able to eat and how bad I knew I was doing and within minutes I had like 8 or 9 replies telling me that I was normal and if anything, I was better than normal. Man that really opened my eyes and gave me a mental boost when I really needed it. I just couldn't believe Trotti's nurse lead me to believe that I was doing so poorly.
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David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 939 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 939 | Hopefully David, given your propensity to tell it like it is, you have educated her??? When you are in the throes of treatment, the last thing you need to hear is erroneous and far too negative information. I would hate to know that she has done that to more people. Anyway, still amazes me that she could be so wrong when all she sees is H&N patients.
Sorry again to hijack the thread..I will turn it back to the subject at hand.
Deb
Deb..caregiver to husband, age 63 at diagnosis, former smoker who quit in 1997. DIAGNOSIS: 6/26/07 SCC right tonsil/BOT T4N0M0 TREATMENT START: 8/9/07 cisplatin/taxol X 7..IMRT twice daily X 31.5. TREATMENT END: 10/1/07 PEG OUT: 1/08 PORT OUT: 4/09 FOLLOWUP: Now only annual exams. ALL CLEAR!
Passed away 1/7/17 RIP Bill
| | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 6 Member | Member Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 6 | Hello Everyone, Greeting's from Sand Mountain,Alabama. Have been reading your posts and they encourage and lift my spirits. Was DX: 0207008, SCC Rt. tonsil,Rt. neck dissection (3 lymph nodes removed),stage 1va orophaynx T2N2MO. Begin 30 rns Rads/3chems next week, have been putting down the H2o and liquids, and eating good, dental work done today for the floride trays. Hopefully won't have to get the PEG tube ,so plenty of protein shakes , went SRT climbing today at a local cliff. Looking forward to completing these treatment so I can get back to work down in canal zone. Will remember y'all in my prayers. Rick
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