#71396 03-12-2008 11:40 AM | Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 | I am curious. My husband had a tooth extracted and had to have a bone graph because the hole was too large. My dental insurance refused to cover the bone graft. Said only covered if he is having dental implants and my dental plan does not cover implants. Well that was news to me. I emailed Jerry and his office says medical usually does not cover and very few dental plans have coverage.
SO, have any of you that got implants had it covered? If so, was it dental or medical? Did any of you get Medicare to cover it? Is this one of those deals where you need a letter of medical necessity to get it covered. I thought I was covered but it appears not.
Take care, Eileen
---------------------- Aug 1997 unknown primary, Stage III mets to 1 lymph node in neck; rt ND, 36 XRT rad Aug 2001 tiny tumor on larynx, Stage I total laryngectomy; left ND June 5, 2010 dx early stage breast cancer June 9, 2011 SCC 1.5 cm hypo pharynx, 70% P-16 positive, no mets, Stage I
| | | | Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 580 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 580 | Eileen, That's a kick in the teeth. (pardon the pun.) You may want to explore this avenue. In Canada, I'm not sure if the U.S. or for that matter individual States are the same, dental and medical insurers have what is called an, "Alternate Benefits Clause". What this means that if a specific procedure is not covered that they will provide benefit if a lesser procedure could have been performed. Example: An Implant is needed to replace a missing tooth. The patient's plan does not cover implants but would cover a fixed bridge which is a less costly procedure. The insurance provider in this example would provide coverage for the implant but, only up to the dollar amount that they would have paid if a fixed bridge (less expensive treatment) was being done. I'm not sure if this applies but it would be worth investigating. Talk to the office that provided the service to see if they can help you. Cheers, Mike
Dentist since 1995, 12 year Cancer Survivor, Father, Husband, Thankful to so many who supported me on my journey so far, and more than happy to comfort a friend. Live, Laugh, Love & Learn.
| | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 | Many dental plans have the alternative benefits provision and unfortunately many don't cover replacements of any kind. Unfortunately very few cover implants. Our experience has been that some companies will pay for the crown on an implant even if they don't pay for the implant, but at the reimbursement level for a crown on a tooth, which is a lot less costly than one on an implant.
Remember that insurance companies are in the business of making money and not spending it. They will use any means to get out of paying a claim if they can. How do you think they pay for those big office buildings?
Jerry
Jerry
Retired Dentist, 59 years old at diagnosis. SCC of the left lateral border of the tongue (Stage I). Partial glossectomy and 30 nodes removed, 4/6/05. Nodes all clear. No chemo no radiation 18 year survivor.
"Whatever doesn't kill me, makes me stronger"
| | | | Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 580 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 580 | Jerry, You know as well as I do that they make their profits by having our offices do half, if not more, of their administration. I only want 1% of 1% of their net from the first month of the year. That's not greedy is it?
Dentist since 1995, 12 year Cancer Survivor, Father, Husband, Thankful to so many who supported me on my journey so far, and more than happy to comfort a friend. Live, Laugh, Love & Learn.
| | | | Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 | Thanks for the responses. I don't think my plan has the "Alternate Benefits Clause' but I will check.
Ok, we've heard from the doctors. How about the patients. Who paid for your implants? You or an insurance company?
Take care, Eileen
---------------------- Aug 1997 unknown primary, Stage III mets to 1 lymph node in neck; rt ND, 36 XRT rad Aug 2001 tiny tumor on larynx, Stage I total laryngectomy; left ND June 5, 2010 dx early stage breast cancer June 9, 2011 SCC 1.5 cm hypo pharynx, 70% P-16 positive, no mets, Stage I
| | | | Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,627 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,627 | Hi Eileen, I had dental implants put in the bottom in May of 06, was supposed to have upper ones put in at the same time but woke up with no upper teeth but no implants either! The only thing that medical would pay for was the anesthesia to put me to sleep in the dentists office. Dental plan covered nothing, zero. Medical plan covered nothing to do with the actual implants, only with the anesthesia to remove the teeth. I paid close to $11,000 for the removal of my teeth and to have five implants placed in my bottom jaw. Then I paid $12,3000 for the bottom implant fixture (the teeth). I shouldn't say I paid that, actually a very wealthy friend of ours paid for it. My husband and I are middle class but he has some incredibly wealthy friends that are generous. So, don't go looking for insurance to cover it, I called every dental and medical plan in VA to find out if anyone covered it...........nope. Since the new cancer in August, I had to take the appliance off the bottom, now just have the implanted steel pins in my jaw but no bottom teeth. Depressing but I've grown used to it.
Good luck with it all, Minnie
SCC Left Mandible. Jaw replaced with bone from leg. Neck disection, 37 radiation treatments. Recurrence 8-28-07, stage 2, tongue. One third of tongue removed 10-4-07. 5-23-08 chemo started for tumor behind swallowing passage, Our good friend and much loved OCF member Minnie has been lost to the disease (RIP 10-29-08). We will all miss her greatly.
| | | | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | It's a nasty business because it falls into a crack between medical and dental coverage - and the insurance companies exploit that part of it...
Gary Allsebrook *********************************** Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2 Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy) ________________________________________________________ "You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
| | | | Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 | Minnie, When I had my 16 rear teeth extracted in the hospital prior to radiation, I did manage to get my medical insurance to cover the entire procedure as a medical expense required prior to radiation. This took letters of medical necessity from the dental surgeons and some argueing, but it did get covered. However, they refused to cover the partials to replace them as a medical expense.
I'm sorry to hear you can't use your bottom teeth. Is that only temporary or will that be a permanent condition? The year and a half that I only had my 12 front teeth was very diffcult in the eating dept. I felt like a rabbit. I can't imagine how hard it must be for you with no bottom teeth. Try not to let it get you down.
Take care, Eileen
---------------------- Aug 1997 unknown primary, Stage III mets to 1 lymph node in neck; rt ND, 36 XRT rad Aug 2001 tiny tumor on larynx, Stage I total laryngectomy; left ND June 5, 2010 dx early stage breast cancer June 9, 2011 SCC 1.5 cm hypo pharynx, 70% P-16 positive, no mets, Stage I
| | | | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 34 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 34 | My cancer was at the top of my mouth and in my sinus so I have a hole in the top of my mouth to my sinus. My dr sent my to a prosthodontist and he made me a obturator which is a mouth piece that covers the hole and the next one will have teeth on it that they removed. This has all gone through my medical. So I would talk to your surgeon about it. | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | A bit late but I wanted to update all of you on my situation. I paid about $18,000 for porcelain veneer crowns made of gold and a couple of other metals that I don't remember August of 2007. I did half in August and half in September because the insurance year ended Aug 31. The dental insurance paid a whopping $854 but I tricked them because they had to pay twice, once for each plan year! Susan tenaciously challenged all the denials and they finally forked over another $4,000 on a medical claim about a year later. I still have about the same amount to pay to finish but I'm not sure when.
Ed
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
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