#67584 01-14-2008 09:43 PM | Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 11 Member | OP Member Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 11 | Hello There. Haven't posted in a while. Joe completed radiation 8/23/07, (5+ weeks daily treatment, no chemo). Had completed surgery for adenocarcinoma removal with part of parotid gland. He has some taste now, but worries that it will not get any better. He was a great cook and now finds this very disturbing. May sound trite to many of you, as his condition otherwise is so much better than I read here of many of you. I just feel for him and wonder exactly what some of the long term survivors are experiencing in this area. Would you say 50%, 80%, or ???% return of taste. Is he too anxious? | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | I am 16 months post Tx and I am still noticing slight improvements in my saliva and taste. Tell him to accept a slow and long recovery and don't look for daily, weekly or even monthly improvements, you know the old don't watch a pot till it boils saying. It will get better but it will take time. Sometimes it takes me weeks just to recognize that something has improved.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | David, you always seem to have an understandable answer for most questions. Like most on here, I admire you for being able to express yourself so well.. Have a great day and enjoy. This from the guy that was around when they invented dirt LOL
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 598 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 598 | I finished treatment about 6 weeks earlier. Right now, I would say taste is 80 -85% back. Chocolate still tastes a little off, as do most other sweets. Taste and saliva appear to march in step, in that my taste is better when my saliva is best, and taste diminishes as mouth dries out. Jeff SCC Right BOT Dx 3/28/2007 T2N2a M0G1,Stage IVa Bilateral Neck Dissection 4/11/2007 39 x IMRT, 8 x Cisplatin Ended 7/11/07 Complete response to treatment so far!!
| | | | Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 294 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 294 | I am 18 mos. 3 days post Tx and full taste is still not back. I have concluded that it is probably as good as it will ever be. Saliva is maybe 80% pre Tx and is also most likely as good as it will get. When last seen by my ENT in Oct. she said at that point that most likely the saliva activity was most likely as good as it will ever be. She wasn't as certain about the taste buds.
I would say that taste is maybe 75 to 80% returned and it is quite odd. Some things taste real close to the old days and others are still way off. Alcohol in any form, wine, beer, etc. is one of the worst tasting things of all as well as chocolate. In fact, most sweets taste terrible and the biggest problem seems to be lack of sweet sensation. One of the few candies I can even tolerate is Skittles. On the upside, I seem to have full return of taste of coffee and never totally lost it. I can do without the alcohol but thank the Lord my coffee taste is here.
Bill D.
Dx 4/27/06, SCC, BOT, Stage III/IV, Tx 5/25/06 through 7/12/06 - 33 IMRT and 4 chemo, radical right side neck dissection 9/20/06.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Just to show another side...as I said I am 16 months and 18 days post Tx and I can taste everything although most subtleties are not there like before. I fancied myself as a "good cook" before and could add a pinch of this or that to affect the overall taste. I don't ever see myself ever being able to do that anymore.
I do taste chocolate and all sweets perfectly and alcohol tastes the same as well.
I am not saying my taste is 100% but if it doesn't get any better, I'll be pleased with where it ended up. My dry mouth is also not 100% and I definitely believe they go hand n hand.
I also just recently (2 weeks or so) noticed a slight improvement to my taste and dry mouth and I hope it's not done recovering but we'll see.
What I'm trying to reinforce is that even though we may all get 30 something IMRT treatments, we don't all get them in the exact same location and we all, therefore, can and do respond and recover differently.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Jim,
I used to tell a very good friend of mine that he was older than dirt.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | David - I always appreciate your updates since my son's progress seems to follow yours quite a bit. He is almost 13 months post Tx and describes his taste as being like the difference between a water color and an oil painting. He tastes everything but not quite to the same intensity. He still has dry mouth but it was so encouraging to hear of the recent improvement that you noticed in your progress, and makes me feel that there is hope for his taste and dry mouth to improve as well.
Anne-Marie CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | My 1 grand daughter calls me the old guy and my nephew calls me old man. LOL I wonder why. 72 pretty soon and that isn't years old it's years young. LIke the song says.. " I can dream can't I " LOL
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Anne-Marie,
Do you really put that hyphen in your name. I have a daughter with the same name but never considered a hyphen?
Your son had tongue surgery which I didn't and I have no idea how that may affect future taste even without rad but I'm sure he's not finished his recovery so lets hope he moves up from the water cooler level. I will say that I used to be at that level so I know what he means.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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