#60762 05-06-2007 04:12 AM | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 21 Member | OP Member Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 21 | Todd finished his chemo on 3/27, rad on 4/27. Been in and out of hospital with dehydration, weakness and recently he blacked out hitting his head on the baseboard corner requiring 8 interior stiches and 8 staples. He will only take 2 cans of Jevity a day (474 cal) and 1000 cc through the G tube. He is 6'2" and started at 232lbs - lost 53 lbs to date. He is in bed 24/7, very neausous, weak and pale. The OC can't explain why he is not getting beter. The primary care Dr ran tests in the hospital and everything was normal. I am very scared and don't know where to turn. I think if he gets more nutrition he will start to heal but he is afraid to eat, even thru the G tube, because of being sick to his stomach. The good news is that the cancer seems to have disapated and will be confirmed at the CT scan on June 5th. Could this lead to anorexia? PLEASE HELP!!
Primary Tonsil Cancer - Into Lymphnodes. Stage IV
SCC Tonsils. DX 11/06. Stage 3/4. IMRTX38. Chemo: Cisplatin 3 cycles. Ended TX 4/27/07
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#60763 05-06-2007 06:16 AM | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 | Linda, I think you are right on about Todd needing to get going fast with food and liquids! Has he tried an anti nausea med to take 30 mins. before he eats? Have youall tried anything besides Jevity? A different mix might sit better with him. As to the sleeping- my husband did the same for at least a month after rad ended, and many folks here will tell you that the rad. knocked them cold for several months after it was over. Are you keeping track of his blood pressure? Did he black out while trying to stand up or what? He is obviously very weak righ now. If the effort of standing makes him dizzy, have him sit up, rest a minute, put his legs on the floor and stay in that position for a count of 10 t0 15, then stand slowly. His blood pressure could be dropping when he stands. Also, I would have a cane or a walker handy in case he gets dizzy. Remember ,He's not very far out of treatment and this recovery is slow going.It sounds like the Docs are encouraged about his prognosis. That's good news. Just keep saying "One day at a time" Amy in the Oz.
CGtoJohn:SCC Flr of Mouth.Dx 3\05. Surg.4\05.T3NOMO.IMRTx30. Recur Dx 1\06.Surg 2\06. Chemo: 4 Cycles of Carbo\Taxol:on Erbitux for 7 mo. Lost our battle 2-23-07- But not the will to fight this disease
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#60764 05-07-2007 01:53 AM | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 21 Member | OP Member Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 21 | Thanks Amy for your reply - it helps knowing somethings are to be expected. He was originally on Nutren supplement but it was too rich. He does drink an occasional Boost or Ensure. I went to the health food store and bought a high calorie/vitamin powder to mix with milk. I hope this will be OK to give him. He had stopped RAD for approx 2 1/2 wks due to him being in the hospital. The Dr added 4 treatments because of the lapse in time which he completed in 8days. He now says his tongue seems to be swollen and painful. But we are wondering why becasue he did not have RAD for awhile and then only 8 sessions in succession. Any ideas?
SCC Tonsils. DX 11/06. Stage 3/4. IMRTX38. Chemo: Cisplatin 3 cycles. Ended TX 4/27/07
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#60765 05-07-2007 02:31 AM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Linda,
If he only just finished his rad on 4/27 you should realize that the 2 to 3 weeks post Tx are the worse for just about everyone. I ended up in the hospital for 3 days in my 2nd weeks post Tx for serious fluids and foods. I thought I wouldn't make it because of the pain and nausea. Nothing stopped my nausea, nothing. I stopped taking all meds and fought thru the pain and the nausea went away. I also found Carnation IB VHC and by the end of my 3rd week I felt like I was going to make it, like I finally walked out of the tunnel.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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#60766 05-07-2007 12:51 PM | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 | Linda, someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but my guess is that anyone who has more than a couple of rad. tx's is going to feel the consequences for a period of time afterward. The swollen tongue is possibly one of those consequences, [ does he appear to have thrush?] At this stage, you still have to be very vigilant about everything that is going on with him- not from the standpoint of looking for more cancer- but from the standpoint of recovering from the treatment he has just gone through. This part can be nerve wracking because you both want it over, but it will still be a while yet. Hang in there. Amy in the Oz
CGtoJohn:SCC Flr of Mouth.Dx 3\05. Surg.4\05.T3NOMO.IMRTx30. Recur Dx 1\06.Surg 2\06. Chemo: 4 Cycles of Carbo\Taxol:on Erbitux for 7 mo. Lost our battle 2-23-07- But not the will to fight this disease
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#60767 05-08-2007 09:04 PM | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 | robin has lost a further 10 lbs since his Radiation finished and this is purely down to the fact that he will not take enough nourishmnet.He gets dizzy and is a litle disorientated at times,and when he starts to feel really ill he goes back on the full routine and within a few days he seems to pick up again.Week three he spent mostly in bed couldnt talk wouldnt drink water and seemed to be fading away.Week 4 he started to attempt solids and he is drinking like a fish.Dont lose hope it will come good in the end.
Liz in the UK
Husband Robin aged 44 years Dx 8th Dec 2006 poorly differentiated SCC tongue with met to neck T1N2cM0 Surgery and Radiation.Finished TX April 2007 Recurrence June/07 died July 29th/07.
Never take your eye off the ball, it may just smack you in the mouth.
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#60768 05-09-2007 04:51 AM | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 93 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 93 | Ask the DR about medication for the puking. The more liquid you can get in him the better. Our DR said to eat everything he could because the healing really uses the calories. It isn't easy being the caregiver I know. You can do it, just be sure to ask for help, or to vent when you need to. It will help you a heck of a lot and that in turn helps him. Maggie
caregiver to husband right tonsil stage 3 35 IMRT TX completed 1/5/2007 PET Scan clear 3/07 biopsy 9/07 clear 1st yr PET scan 12/18/07 clear
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#60769 05-16-2007 09:13 AM | Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 21 Member | Member Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 21 | I was nauseaous on the first formula ( I think it was the Jevic) which I used with the peg tube. I would have a feeding and then many times just throw it all up.
They switched the formula and this made a huge difference. No more nausea and I am able to take the proper amount of calories for me along with extra fluids with no problem.
My only current problem is trying to get back to "real" eating!
Squamous Cell Carcinoma of tongue, stage II due to size >3mm, nothing seen in neck on CT scan. Radiation started in Jan 07. Completed 2/26/07. Recurrance confirmed 8/07.
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#60770 05-16-2007 03:29 PM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Linda,
I could not keep anything down even using the PEG tube. After losing about 60 lbs I aksed for TPN feedings through the mediport. I spent months feeding that way and still didn't gain wait for almost a year with about 4,000 calories a day. It takes time but I really had to work on the dehydration, too. I had 2-3 bags of fluid in my mediport for 4 months as well. I blacked out more than once right after radiation.
As a general rule I was told 1 month recovery for every week of radiation but I felt that was a joke until I found it to be a bit conservative even. I know everyone is different but Todd's circumstances really parallel mine.
Ed
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
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