#59914 12-31-2006 04:34 PM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 528 "OCF Down Under" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 528 | Hello folks During September I developed a large painful lesion on the inside of my right maxilla up near the soft palate. I seemed to appear out of the blue - there are no teeth in the gum there, I don't wear dentures or drink or smoke. I completed radiation 3.5 years ago. In October the tissue plus bone shavings were biopsied and were negative for cancer. However the area would not heal. I was thoroughly scanned (again negative for cancer, yippee) and finally the lesion was diagnosed as osteoradionecrosis. This link to OCF main site gives details of osteoradionecrosis: http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/dental/dental-complications.htm I was advised that if the area didn't heal the necrotic bone would have to be surgically removed and a free flap from the soft palate used to heal the area because of the risk of infection. This was tentatively scheduled for February. (January is vacation time in Australia). However I am pleased to report that the lesion is now healing quickly and I can't see major surgery being necessary. It is good to know that my gums are healthy enough to recover from the trauma of biopsy, stitches etc. My mouth and teeth were well prepared prior to radiation and I look after them well so I am surprised that this has happened. Has anyone else had a similar experience and if so, what was your treatment? Love from Helen
RHTonsil SCC Stage IV tx completed May 03
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#59915 01-01-2007 04:15 AM | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 | Hi Helen,
Great news...thanks for sharing. Glad to hear that you healed so well. Sorry that I have no idea what you could have had there. Maybe it wasn't actually ORN. I don't think ORN shows up spontaneously, but results after trauma to the bone, eg an extraction.
One of my partners in my practice had some healing problems after an extraction, as he had been on intravenous bisphosphonates for his cancer (multiple myeloma). The problems are similar to osteoradionecrosis. It took a long time, but did eventually heal without needing HBO.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and Meredith in February. I will contact you by email as we get closer. Sure hope that it can work out.
Happy New Year
Jerry
Jerry
Retired Dentist, 59 years old at diagnosis. SCC of the left lateral border of the tongue (Stage I). Partial glossectomy and 30 nodes removed, 4/6/05. Nodes all clear. No chemo no radiation 18 year survivor.
"Whatever doesn't kill me, makes me stronger"
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#59916 01-01-2007 11:49 AM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 528 "OCF Down Under" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 528 | Hi Jerry
Thanks for your input. It is possible that the trauma was caused by a 'spur' of bone in the centre of the the lesion which was removed during biopsy.
Looking forward to meeting you and your wife in Sydney. Happy New Year from Helen
RHTonsil SCC Stage IV tx completed May 03
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#59917 01-01-2007 02:09 PM | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 417 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 417 | I currently have an exposed mandible (right), my oral surgeon shaves a little off of the (radiated) bone each month to keep it from eroding my tongue (Spurs). BUT, nothing enters my mouth, everything goes into my Gtube, but that has been the case for 2 years. Not being able to salivate is what caused my problem. Could that be the root cause of yours? Darrell
Stage 3, T3,N1,M0,SCC, Base of Tongue. No Surgery, Radiationx39, Chemo, Taxol & Carboplatin Weekly 8 Treatments 2004. Age 60. Recurrence 2/06, SCC, Chest & Neck (Sub clavean), Remission 8/06. Recurrence SCC 12/10/06 Chest.
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#59918 01-01-2007 02:38 PM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 528 "OCF Down Under" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 528 | This is interesting Darrell. I DO have a very dry mouth.
It surprises me that your radiated bone grows enough every month to need shaving off. I shall certainly keep that in mind - and ask my doc. I understand that relatively healthy bone does push out areas of dead bone at times.
I wish you a peaceful and comfortable new year. I appreciate your input here.
Love from Helen
RHTonsil SCC Stage IV tx completed May 03
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#59919 01-01-2007 03:28 PM | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 | Just to add some clarification...bone "spicules" can poke through the gums at any time and are usually in an area where some surgery was done previously. Most likey an extraction. I have seen this occur as much as 20 years after a tooth was extracted, although this is rare. Most of the time it is within a year or two. They are usually very sharp pieces of bone and they form when the bone breaks during the extraction.
Jerry
Jerry
Retired Dentist, 59 years old at diagnosis. SCC of the left lateral border of the tongue (Stage I). Partial glossectomy and 30 nodes removed, 4/6/05. Nodes all clear. No chemo no radiation 18 year survivor.
"Whatever doesn't kill me, makes me stronger"
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#59920 01-23-2007 12:20 PM | Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 17 Member | Member Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 17 | I'm suprised that no one has mentioned the "miracle" of Hyperbaric oxygen treatment. I've done it twice now within 4 years before and after extractions and surgery to guard against ORN. The healing process of breathing in 100% oxygen under pressure (usually 45 ft.) is amazing. I had an exposed jawbone after surgery and within 4 "dives", it was completely covered. Anyone with oral cancer should look into it. Marianne
dob 12/22/45 2002 DX SCC Stge 4,tumor lft sde tongue,surgery 2005 recur Stge 4 tumor lft side tongue surgery, flap, XRT 2010 recurr. Stge 4, tumor rt sde tongue surgery, flap, chemo, radiat. Port, PEG 2010 Peritonitis, liver abc., bacter. infections 2011 Exposed jawb. HBO
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#59921 01-23-2007 03:13 PM | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 | Marianne,
HBO has been discussed extensively in many places on this forum, and many posters here have had it at some point after their treatment.
Cathy
Tongue SCC (T2M0N0), poorly differentiated, diagnosed 3/89, partial glossectomy and neck dissection 4/89, radiation from early June to late August 1989
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#59922 01-24-2007 10:54 AM | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 108 Gold Member (100+ posts) | Gold Member (100+ posts) Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 108 | I highly recommend HBO as well. My wisdom teeth I found out after the fact should have been removed before my surgery and radiation. However, I probably would not have been given the HBO treatments before they removed my wisdom teeth, so it was a win/win situation in the end. The HBO has other great effects especially at healing external surgery cars.
T3N2aM0 SCC right oral tongue. Partial Glosectomy, Modified Neck disection for 1 Lymph Node. Dec. 2002. 35 IMRT 2003.
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#59923 01-31-2007 06:06 AM | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8 Member | Member Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8 | My husband had his original surgery in 1975 he was 29 they removed part of the roof of his mouth and performed a modified radical neck for the lymph nodes. Had full radiation dose at that time. Due to his age they didn't pull his teeth. Over several years, problems developed infections etc. due to the rad. in 1990 it was decided to pull all the remaining teeth. He was set up for 20 hyperbaric treatments to prepare for the surgery and then 20 more following surgery. everything went very well, no discomfort during the dives. It made a big difference in his preparation and his healing. | | |
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