#59012 09-27-2006 11:34 AM | Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 251 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 251 | Hello all.
At three and a half years post treatment, my husband has been having leukoplakia on his dorsal tongue. Started about 6 months ago and went away, now has come back. His periodontist urged him to get in to see his ENT and he had that appointment today. The ENT is taking a "watch and wait" approach, but did mention that he sees it quite a bit of this in radiated patients.
I have heard post radiation candida mentioned quite a bit here, but not leukoplakia. Am wondering if there are others that have had this problem. Note, my husband never had leukoplakia before his diagnosis and treatment (not that he is aware of, at least).
Thanks for any feedback, Anita
Husband Dx 12/02 Stage 4 Tonsil Cancer T1N2bM0; surgery, radiation, chemo 1/03 - 4/03.
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#59013 09-28-2006 09:23 AM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 66 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 66 | Removal of persistant leukoplakia can be done with a laser without too much discomfort, and in some people this will resolve the issue... in others it comes back again. As to why, no one knows for sure. If you are not going to go this route, routine short time span exams I think are a must. Not all leukoplakias continue transformation into malignancies, but some do. An oral surgeon would be the doc to see if you want it lasered off. The laser takes off the top few layers of cells, and there is no real stiching, the wound caused by it heals by what they call " secondary intent," meaning it just developes new tissue on top all on it's own.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | |
#59014 09-28-2006 11:31 AM | Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 251 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 251 | Thanks, Brian... I did read about studies regarding removal and its unpredictable results when I searched the main body of this website. Thanks for providing such thorough reference material under that capability.
If I would have been with my husband during this latest check, I think I would have pressed for a biopsy - just to know what level of dysplasia is involved, etc.
But I am still curious about the ENT Surgeon's remark that he sees quite a bit of leukoplakia in patients that have had radiation. Just haven't seen that as a radiation or xerostomia after-effect anywhere.
Anita
Husband Dx 12/02 Stage 4 Tonsil Cancer T1N2bM0; surgery, radiation, chemo 1/03 - 4/03.
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#59015 09-28-2006 12:02 PM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 66 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 66 | There may be no actual dysplasia, and in a large white area, sometimes it is only a very small spot that may begin malignant transformation. The question would be where in a 2CM X2CM would you biopsy? Hence the desire to laser these off completely as they occur. I also have not heard about treatment caused leukoplakias.... but I am not a doctor.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | |
#59016 10-18-2006 11:24 PM | Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 52 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 52 | I've had Leukoplakia on side of tongue since I had IMRT 4yrs. 4mos. ago. Recently I had them removed and biopsied, very relieved to hear"no sign of cancer". I would think that if you'd have it removed by laser you wouldn't get to hear those beautiful words. The peace of mind was well worth the 3-4 wks of discomfort.
Good luck to all, Marlene
Marlene
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#59017 01-20-2007 06:44 PM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 | I just went for a checkup appt with my ENT and was told that I have leukoplakia on my tongue but "no signs of cancer or anything to worry about". He didn't say this was common in post-radiation patients but he didn't seem too concerned and he did suggest it was because of the radiation making my tongue very dry there and easily irritated. I have another appt. at the end of April and before then I will have an MRI and a PET to check for signs of cancer (I have pretty bad trismus right now and he couldn't get his fingers in my motuh well enough to feel the floor of the mouth, which would normally be a part of his exam, so these tests are extra important I guess).
He had actually mentioned at the last checkup that I had some white stuff on my tongue that was from irritation, not to be worried about but didn't say the word "leukoplakia". When he called it that this time, it worried me a bit. Does another checkup in 3.5 months seem like a close enough followup? Would I be able to have this removed by laser surgery even with restricted range of motion in my jaw? I am working hard with my therabite to improve the trismus a little but it's happening slowly.
It has been two years since my diagnosis by the way. But I think I'll wait to celebrate that two year mark until the appt. in April after all the other tests shows an all-clear. I guess r5ight now I'm superstitious that something bad will be found before then.
Nelie
SCC(T2N0M0) part.glossectomy & neck dissect 2/9/05 & 2/25/05.33 IMRT(66 Gy),2 Cisplatin ended 06/03/05.Stage I breast cancer treated 2/05-11/05.Surgery to remove esophageal stricture 07/06, still having dilatations to keep esophagus open.Dysphagia. "When you're going through hell, keep going"
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#59018 01-21-2007 02:29 AM | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,116 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,116 | Hi Nelie, I have had leukoplasia (sp?) several times since my original surgery.... my oral surgeon told me not to worry about it, he would keep an eye on it (I totally trust him) and it went away before my neck visit. At one point he was going to remove it in his office, I think because I was so worried about it...I still gets marks on my tongue from time to time and get them checked out. I am hoping all goes well for you! Carol
Diagnosed May 2002 with Stage IV tongue cancer, two lymph nodes positive. Surgery to remove 1/2 tongue, neck dissection, 35 radiation treatments. 11/2007, diagnosed with cancer of soft palate, surgery 12/14/07, jaw split. 3/24/10, cancer on tongue behind flap, need petscan, surgery scheduled 4/16/10 ---update passed away 8-27-11---
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#59019 02-08-2007 02:44 PM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 218 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 218 | Hi Nellie, I suspect that each ENT has developed his/her own timing for post-treatment follow up. After radiation, my ENT wanted to see me every 6 weeks for the first year with CT scans every 3 months. Then every 8 weeks for the second year (CT scans every 6 months) and every 12 weeks the third.
If you're uncomfortable having to wait 3.5 months, see about moving the appointment forward. Waiting and uncertainty are anxiety producing and you shouldn't have to endure that if at all possible. Hoping that all goes well. - Sheldon
Dx 1/29/04, SCC, T2N0M0 Tx 2/12/04 Surgery, 4/15/04 66 Gy. radiation (36 sessions) Dx 3/15/2016, SCC, pT1NX Tx 3/29/16 Surgery
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#59020 02-08-2007 04:25 PM | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | The ENT's are supposed to follow the schedules in the NCCN Oncology Practice Guidelines (especially if they wish to avoid liability).
Gary Allsebrook *********************************** Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2 Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy) ________________________________________________________ "You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
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#59021 02-08-2007 05:32 PM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 | I'm pretty sure my ENT is following that schedule. My concern is if, since I have leukoplakia, perhaps it is too much time in between appts.
Nelie
SCC(T2N0M0) part.glossectomy & neck dissect 2/9/05 & 2/25/05.33 IMRT(66 Gy),2 Cisplatin ended 06/03/05.Stage I breast cancer treated 2/05-11/05.Surgery to remove esophageal stricture 07/06, still having dilatations to keep esophagus open.Dysphagia. "When you're going through hell, keep going"
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