#58897 09-11-2006 09:22 AM | Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 82 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 82 | I know everyone is different, but I am just wondering what people's experiences were with IMRT radiation and taste buds. Specifically, if you had approximately 35 treatments to the tongue, how long did it take before things started tasting the way that they should?
Thanks, Sarah
DX on 05/01/06 with SCC of right tongue. 05/11/06 surgery-tumor 1.2cm & 4 cm clear margins & parital glos. & neck dissection with removal of 34 nodes/1 positive at 4mm)T1N1MO 35 IGRT & 3 cycles of chemo (1 cisplatin & 2 carbo-complete on 8/9/06.
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#58898 09-11-2006 10:08 AM | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 137 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: May 2006 Posts: 137 | Great question and one that's not discussed nearly enough in my opinion.
My last of 33 IMRT's was 5/24/06 so I'm about 3 1/2 months out. With the exception of the last week or so, I've been on a liquid diet for nearly 5 months. No PEG, I've lost about 30 pounds since the ND in March. During that time eating has been out of the question; I've developed what I can only call a 'food phobia'. Everything tastes horrible and only some things are even tolerable. During the last week, I've gotten to the point where I can force myself to eat a few limited things, mostly chicken breast and french toast washed down with milk or water. A few bites of steak, some hardboiled egg and some avocado. That's about it.
However, I feel so much better (almost 'normal') after eating solid food, I'm encouraged to continue to force myself to eat at least twice a day, but it's a chore.
Frankly, I feel angry everytime I face the prospect of eating. There's a whole lot they DIDN'T tell me about this treatment, including the trismus, L'hermittes and especially the lack of sense of taste. Now, probably anger is not the correct response; I should feel gratitude that the treatment has so far been successful as my first PET/CTscan last week was 'clear' with no sign of cancer. But then again, no primary tumor was ever discovered in the first place.
So, the short answer, for me, is that 3 1/2 months out from radiation and taste is only slightly, almost imperceptibly, improved.
dx 2/13/06. modified radical neck dissection 3/9/06 multiple biopsies of upper airway and direct laryngoscopy. 1 of 47 lymph nodes positive for metastatic undifferentiated carcinoma (lymphoepithelioma). Unknown primary. Finished radiation 5/24/06.
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#58899 09-11-2006 10:58 AM | Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 207 Platinum Member (200+ posts) | Platinum Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 207 | Hi Senator13,
Not sure if I am typical, but I am almost two years out. I have full taste and no dry mouth. It took 6 months to get full taste. It took 19 months to be able to tolerate salsa. It's a slow process, but have patience. Salivary glands and taste came back for me. You just have to keep trying.
Steve
SCC, base of tongue, 2 lymph nodes, stage 3/4. 35 X's IMRT radiation, chemo: Cisplatin x 2, 5FU x2, & Taxol x2. Hooray, after 3 years I'm in still in remission.
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#58900 09-11-2006 11:04 AM | Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 42 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 42 | HI AS YOU KNOW EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT. MY TASTE BUDS CAME BACK IN A YEAR. FIRST IT WAS THE SWEET, SALTY,YOUR SOUR. IT WAS NICE WHEN THEY ALL CAME BACK. I HAD TONGUE CANCER. HOPE THIS HELPS. CATHY
Cathy
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#58901 09-11-2006 11:41 AM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 | I think most of my taste came back within a year (unfortunately my swallowing ability did not--still working on that). I still have some very easily irritated spots in my mouth, though, and can't tolerate stuff that's acidic or spicy. But it's not because I don't like the taste, it's just I get a burning sensation very easily with lots of stuff.
Nelie
SCC(T2N0M0) part.glossectomy & neck dissect 2/9/05 & 2/25/05.33 IMRT(66 Gy),2 Cisplatin ended 06/03/05.Stage I breast cancer treated 2/05-11/05.Surgery to remove esophageal stricture 07/06, still having dilatations to keep esophagus open.Dysphagia. "When you're going through hell, keep going"
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#58902 09-11-2006 04:13 PM | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | Actually it has been discussed a lot - I got 20 hits just in this topic alone using the search engine. Not having any sense or distorted taste is one of the more miserable aspects of treatment.
I had IMRT and my taste buds started recovering about 2 months post Tx with a reasonably full recovery in about a year. Salty flavors came first with sweets last. I think that my taste buds are 100% now at almost 4 years post tx. I can eat anything now, including spicey hot.
Salivary function return was a gradual thing and took 1 1/2 years.
Gary Allsebrook *********************************** Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2 Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy) ________________________________________________________ "You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
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#58903 09-16-2006 06:43 AM | Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 7 Member | Member Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 7 | My experience has been a bit different. I had IMRT (X35) and cisplatin (X2) for tonsil cancer (SCC)(T2N2M0) nearly 3 years ago. I lost the ability to taste anything.
While salty, sour and bitter taste returned about 6 months after the end of treatment, and salivary function recovered to about 70% by 18 months, I still have to carry a water bottle and can only taste the first couple bites of sweet and it's not very sweet.
I'm not complaining at all -- I'm happy to be "cured" and have adjusted very well to my new normal taste buds. I lost 60 lbs (with a PEG) and resumed eating well enough to gain back 15 lbs.
Hope this helps. What it really shows is everyone's recovery is different. | | |
#58904 09-19-2006 06:18 AM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1 Member | Member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1 | I had cancer of the tongue when I was 24 and a final year medical student. It was treated by the insertion of radium needles for a week and I had little trouble afterwards apart from some temporary blockage of the submandibular gland. I had no loss of taste for 46 years but my taste began to go about 2 years ago and I everything now tastes unpleasant. Opinion is divided as to whether this is due to the radium needles inserted nearly half a century ago or whether there is some other cause as yet undiagnosed. It seems a different story to most of those above; I had my problems when young but take comfort - I've lived a long time afterwards! | | |
#58905 09-19-2006 10:31 AM | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 | Ian,
WOW!! 46 years? I think that must be some kind of a record on this site. Have you had any other long-term effects? (I'm kind of surprised that taste problems would show up after all this time.)
Maybe you could go to the Survivor Stories section of the forum and tell us some more about your experience, even though it was long ago. It's great to hear more from long-term survivors.
(By the way, I also had radiation implants in my tongue, but only for about 30 hours -- after going through 7 weeks of conventional radiation therapy.)
Cathy
Tongue SCC (T2M0N0), poorly differentiated, diagnosed 3/89, partial glossectomy and neck dissection 4/89, radiation from early June to late August 1989
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#58906 09-19-2006 10:51 AM | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,116 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,116 | Ian, thank you for posting!!! awesome to hear you are a 46 year survivor! God Bless, Carol
Diagnosed May 2002 with Stage IV tongue cancer, two lymph nodes positive. Surgery to remove 1/2 tongue, neck dissection, 35 radiation treatments. 11/2007, diagnosed with cancer of soft palate, surgery 12/14/07, jaw split. 3/24/10, cancer on tongue behind flap, need petscan, surgery scheduled 4/16/10 ---update passed away 8-27-11---
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