#54742 04-22-2004 11:14 AM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 207 Platinum Member (200+ posts) | Platinum Member (200+ posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 207 | As someone who is now three months post-radiation (and writing this note from work, where I'm back to almost full time!), I can say honestly hang in there, there is a light at the end of this dreadful tunnel... I had to laugh out loud at your post, Erik, because I think I said the exact same things during my roughest days, even beat up a helpless pillow or two, much to my wife's chagrin. I especially couldn;t stand the thick saliva/gook that didn;t seem to go away... I set a lot of goals for myself and kept an eye on folks on these boards who were a few weeks ahead of me. I remember one woman said she ate tempura shrimp and other wonderful foods just 13 days after her last treatment -- that drove me to push through and try and beat her (which I didn't do but was close)... I had Red Lobster about a month after my last treatment I know for me, I turned a big corner the week after my treatments ended when my doctor prescribed a steroid treatment for my mouth. Not sure of the name, but it brought a lot of the swelling down fast and I went from not being able to sleep more than a few hours (without waking up gagging) to getting through the whole night. Gauze and Puffs tissues also work well as a temporary measure for wiping out the mouth...
Tongue cancer (SCC), diagnosed Oct. 2003 (T2 N0 M0). Surgery to remove tumor. IMRT Radiation 30x in Dec 2003 - Jan. 2004. Recurrence lymph node - radical neck dissection June 2004. Second round of rad/chemo treatments ended Sept. 2004.
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#54743 04-22-2004 11:15 AM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 207 Platinum Member (200+ posts) | Platinum Member (200+ posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 207 | One more thing -- as lots of others told me, try to stay hydrated as much as possible... It goes without saying that this is extremely tough to do, but it will make a difference to make sure you're getting enough liquids (and nourishment in general)...
Tongue cancer (SCC), diagnosed Oct. 2003 (T2 N0 M0). Surgery to remove tumor. IMRT Radiation 30x in Dec 2003 - Jan. 2004. Recurrence lymph node - radical neck dissection June 2004. Second round of rad/chemo treatments ended Sept. 2004.
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#54744 04-22-2004 12:00 PM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,140 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,140 Likes: 1 | AzTarHeel is exactly right about Puffs brand tissues. I tried them all, and Puffs are the stongest and softest for wiping the gunk out. | | |
#54745 04-22-2004 10:24 PM | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 417 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 417 | MUCOSIS is a gross side effect thta is difficult to del with, I have been sleeping in a redliner from the onset of mucosis. Thick viscous gross spit, could choke you.. Expectoration doesn't come easy and swallowing is difficult but I am still adamant , no tube. I eat 4 ensures/prosures daily plus a protien shake at night. They are occasionally tough to get down, but I get them down. When I received my daignosis I weighed 370 pounds, with Dental healing and now 22 of 39 Radiatiion and 5 of 8 Chemotherapy. I now weigh 328 pounds. My doc pitches a fit when I lose 2 pounds. So they promote no weight loss even for obese people. Darrell
Stage 3, T3,N1,M0,SCC, Base of Tongue. No Surgery, Radiationx39, Chemo, Taxol & Carboplatin Weekly 8 Treatments 2004. Age 60. Recurrence 2/06, SCC, Chest & Neck (Sub clavean), Remission 8/06. Recurrence SCC 12/10/06 Chest.
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#54746 04-23-2004 10:30 AM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Erik,
I forgot to mention, I could not sleep without a humudifier. I worked 400 miles from home and even bought one for the hotel. I used it every night from August until the middle of March and I struggled any time I fell asleep without it on.
Ed
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
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#54747 04-23-2004 12:14 PM | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 164 Gold Member (100+ posts) | Gold Member (100+ posts) Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 164 | Erik,
Try sleeping prompted up to about a 75% angle. I know it's tough, but you'll make it. The salavia eventually thins out. Do you have a suction machine. I would have to wake up 3-4 times at night and suction myself out to make it through. I was so tired that I didn't have too much trouble falling asleep. Now post treatment I have to take Ambien when I have gone a couple of nights without enough sleep.
Hang in there. You're no baby! This is really tough stuff!
Lynn
Stage 3, N0, M0 oral tongue cancer survivor, 85-90% of tongue removed, neck disection, left tonsil removed, chemo/radiation treatments, surgery 11/03, raditation ended 1/04, lung mets discovered 4/04,
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#54748 04-29-2004 02:52 AM | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 837 | Erik,
Just a quick pep talk from someone who's been away from it for a long time (15 years). I thought I had hit rock bottom in the summer of 1989 when I couldn't take a sip of water without screaming in pain, and I was getting really tired of forcing tasteless mush down my throat to meet some daily calorie goal. (You can see my post under Introduce Yourself - 15 year anniversary for a chronology of surgery and radiation.)
Less than 5 months after that, in January 1990, my husband and I managed to take a trip to the British Virgin Islands where we tried our hands at sailing in the Caribbean and generally vegged out for awhile. That's not to say I was fully recovered by then -- far from it -- but at least the after effects were far more manageable by then, I could eat some normal food in polite company, and the pain had subsided a great deal.
DON'T GIVE UP!!
Tongue SCC (T2M0N0), poorly differentiated, diagnosed 3/89, partial glossectomy and neck dissection 4/89, radiation from early June to late August 1989
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#54749 04-29-2004 05:20 AM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 40 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 40 |
Dig.7/03 3cm+ lymph nodes & base of tongue tumor. Radical neck dissection w/removal of one neck muscle, laser removal of tumor. 47 sessions of radiation, 2 doses of Cisplatin & PEG tube 40yrs old non-smoker/drinker
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#54750 04-30-2004 04:49 AM | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 156 Gold Member (100+ posts) | Gold Member (100+ posts) Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 156 | I've had many sleepless nights until my doc prescribed 25mg of Amitriptyline. It's an old anti-depressant, but a much lower dose than if presrcribed as an antidepressant, and the side effect is sleepiness. It's worked like a charm. For years a friend religiously took Tylenol PMs, drank, and did anything to sleep to no avail. He loved this stuff. AND it's not habit forming!!
Dr. M also said taking it nightly might help my something-or-other side effect (similar to the anxiety headaches you have).
If you're having anxiety, maybe a Valium (warning: habit forming) or similar? Or maybe one/two nights with a prescribed muscle relaxer?
This next suggestions sounds INCREDIBLY corny, but it's helped me sleep. Pick one word/phrase like "peace" or "love" (mine's "no stress") and repeat it over and over and over. My body gets into a rhythm, as does my breathing, and I'm out like a light.
You'll get through this! We're just on a REALLY bad Disney ride. I'm planning on writing to management about it.... | | |
#54751 04-30-2004 05:14 AM | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 33 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 33 | Sabrina you're a riot! I had another one of those nights too. I took (well crushed and mixed into a shake) 2 Tylenol 3s at 10pm, was awake with a headache (I'm guessing stress here) at 3:30 am , up for an hour with ice pack on forehead, back to bed for 45 minutes, up again with pounding headache, back in the kitchen but this time I dissolved 1 alka seltzer morning (orange flavour) into a glass of peach flavoured thick water. Head was gone in minutes and fell asleep like a ROCK until 10 am. And I dont start my radiation until May 13th! | | |
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