#54561 03-19-2004 04:49 PM | Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,627 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | OP Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,627 | The results of my blood tests taken on Wednesday show that I have hypothyroidism, which would explain my sudden fatigue and my always feeling SO COLD! I am 8 months out from radiation so all of you behind me keep an eye out for any signs of thyroid problems. The medication is synthroid. Here's a weird question for all..............do any of you that had a neck disection feel like your scalp feels "weird". I can't explain it, just seems like it feels different!
SCC Left Mandible. Jaw replaced with bone from leg. Neck disection, 37 radiation treatments. Recurrence 8-28-07, stage 2, tongue. One third of tongue removed 10-4-07. 5-23-08 chemo started for tumor behind swallowing passage, Our good friend and much loved OCF member Minnie has been lost to the disease (RIP 10-29-08). We will all miss her greatly.
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#54562 03-19-2004 07:18 PM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 207 Platinum Member (200+ posts) | Platinum Member (200+ posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 207 | Hi Minnie, thanks for the heads-up... I've noticed that I get cold a lost easier now days than I used to. I used to always be the "hot" one who wanted to wear shorts year-round. Now I'm sleeping under tons of blankets...
I can't speak to your scalp feeling different, but I know sometimes I feel tingly all over my body -- kind of like the day before a head cold comes over me, but I never actually get the cold. I've wondered what that is, and if it is just my body being fatigued overall... It seems to be better these days, and taking hydrocodone seems to make that go-away (maybe I'm addicted!)...
Tongue cancer (SCC), diagnosed Oct. 2003 (T2 N0 M0). Surgery to remove tumor. IMRT Radiation 30x in Dec 2003 - Jan. 2004. Recurrence lymph node - radical neck dissection June 2004. Second round of rad/chemo treatments ended Sept. 2004.
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#54563 03-19-2004 07:39 PM | Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 | Hi Minniea, welcome to the HYPO club! I bet if you look back you might see a post or two about fatigue and body temp. as a sign of THYROID problems. My suggestion is that you watch the TSH numbers and make sure they get them below 5. I have come to realize that just 1 or 2 numbers mean he difference between feeling good and normal vs feeling like cr-p. The Synthroid takes a few weeks to take effect so get regular blood tests.
People should realize that the usual "expected" time frame for radiation induced hypothyroidism is around 2 years. I believe it is sooner than that and that the numbers reflect a lag in diagnosis. I felt bad for many needless months before my first thyroid test.
My strong advice to all GET A THYROID TEST BEORE YOU HAVE YOUR FIRST RADIATION TREATMENT.
Then have a test every 3 months after.
Hypothyroidism is a common side effect and results in needless suffering.
Mark, 21 Year survivor, SCC right tonsil, 3 nodes positive, one with extra-capsular spread. I never asked what stage (would have scared me anyway) Right side tonsillectomy, radical neck dissection right side, maximum radiation to both sides, no chemo, no PEG, age 40 when diagnosed.
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#54564 03-20-2004 03:59 AM | Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 | For new people here, you can use the "Search" word/button and find subjects that we have talked about in the past. On the subject of Thyroid we had this thread OCF thyroid thread We have talked about this alot because it is a common long term post radiation side effect. The best idea on the subject came in the above postings, and that is to have your thyroid levels tested BEFORE you start radiation. Then you will know what levels are normal for you and if you develop Hypothyroid your Synthroid can be adjusted to get you back to your normal. Professionals feel the normal human range is .3 to 5 (TSH) the problem is if you were a 1 before treatments they might be happy if they get it back to say 5.5. I can tell you from my experience a difference of 2 is enough to make you feel worse. Minniea, once you get your synthroid "balanced", you will feel better than you have in probably 6 months! 
Mark, 21 Year survivor, SCC right tonsil, 3 nodes positive, one with extra-capsular spread. I never asked what stage (would have scared me anyway) Right side tonsillectomy, radical neck dissection right side, maximum radiation to both sides, no chemo, no PEG, age 40 when diagnosed.
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#54565 03-20-2004 05:48 AM | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | Looking back through all of lab work my HMO DID test my TSH level in the pre treatment phase. My TSH hasn't changed much since then. My oncologist told me that because of IMRT they didn't expect any thyroid problems but they recommend testing every 6 months to be sure. I have had much greater sensitivity to cold then before but I am almost certain that it's a factor of the 30 lbs less insulation I'm packing around. It's been improving. My TSH levels have gone up slightly from 2.3 to 2.6. Now I'm curious what the tolerance range of the test is. I am also wondering if TSH levels, affected by radiation damage, go up over time.
Gary Allsebrook *********************************** Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2 Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy) ________________________________________________________ "You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
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#54566 03-20-2004 07:23 AM | Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 | Gary, You have got me wondering if they might have done that test as part of my pre-surgery phyical. I'm going to have to ask. My new doc (the other retired) says one thing but does another. My test before the last test was an 8 and he would have left my Synthroid where it was unless I complained. He changed the Rx very slightly and the last test 2 months ago was 5.5 he thinks that is good enough and I still think it should be lower. I have even talked to my 3 brothers and they are willing to get theirs tested so I have something to go by.
I am told that the numbers do vary some over time anyway. They also tend to creep up as we age, and it is fairly common amongst seniors to have hypothyriodism (10%-20%) many do not know it.
Based upon how I felt between year 1 and year 2, the change was slow and almost unoticeable. The low thyroid also affects thinking processes (slows them down) so that you almost don't realize it is happening. When I had my first test it was 18 and I really was feeling bad. This is why I keep bringing the subject back up. Undoubtedly some people reading here will have this problem develop. Fortunately the fix is easy and the pills are fairly cheap. (A bit of a bummer to be having to take something daily for the rest of my life)
Mark, 21 Year survivor, SCC right tonsil, 3 nodes positive, one with extra-capsular spread. I never asked what stage (would have scared me anyway) Right side tonsillectomy, radical neck dissection right side, maximum radiation to both sides, no chemo, no PEG, age 40 when diagnosed.
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#54567 03-20-2004 12:17 PM | Anonymous Unregistered | Anonymous Unregistered | Could another sign (for women) be facial hair, when there was none previously. I never had a mustache before, but my body keeps trying to grow one now? And although my husband looks great with his. I just don't think it's the thing for me!!!
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#54568 03-20-2004 01:08 PM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 528 "OCF Down Under" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "OCF Down Under" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 528 | Hi Minnie
Like you and Mark I am hypothyroidic also. The medication has made a HUGE difference although I still seem to be colder than most people. My hair started falling out and became finer before I was diagnosed and my cholesterol level rose sharply. These were the symptoms that alerted my GP.
It will take a few weeks for the synthetic thyroxine to kick in fully, then you will feel fantastic.
Regarding the scalp, yes, the head and neck area on the side of my neck dissection all feels 'tight' and some parts are numb and others sore to touch.
From Helen, with love.
RHTonsil SCC Stage IV tx completed May 03
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#54569 04-14-2004 04:31 AM | Joined: May 2003 Posts: 3 Member | Member Joined: May 2003 Posts: 3 | I just got a THS reading of over 150, and my g.p. just about fell over. Which among the panoply of post-treatment symptoms can be explained by this thyroid problem (increased dizziness, tiredness, weakness, slurred speech, susceptibility to cold, anemia, irritability, mental distraction)? Any thoughts appreciated.
JohnG
Nasopharyngeal carcinoma Stage IV (T2, N3) Dx 10/02, Induction Chemo 12/03, IMRT radiation 3/03 | | |
#54570 04-14-2004 03:50 PM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 67 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 67 | Many of the things you have listed are associated with acute hypothyroid conditions. It is time for you to have an endocrinologist evaluate things and make recommendations. Also while you are now a year out, the timing is right for this to really kick in. Radiation can also affect a variety of other things especially in nasopharyngeal cancers. Nerve damage from the radiation can affect your inner ear causing vertigo (benign but distracting) and in my case I have progressive deterioration of many of my facial nerves from my radiation treatments which in the long run will cause me to have loss of control over portions of my face and neck. Radiation can induce many side effects, so besides your thyroid, do not rule out these things. But aren't you about due for your annual scans to see how things are? These scans might reveal if there are any additional problems occurring.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | |
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