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#53277 06-09-2007 12:59 PM
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Friends,
Because "Sicko", Michael Moore's new documentary about the health care industry does not open until June 29th, I have not seen it yet, but I have seen the trailer and watched online an Oprah interview with Moore that showed some clips. I got angry just watching the trailer. It featured a Dr. who used to work for one of the insurance companies, testifying to Congress how her job was to routinely deny payments to insured clients, many of whom were cancer patients, in order to increase profits for the company. Insured patients died as a result of the denials.

When I was diagnosed with Stage IV base of tongue SCC in 2002 and was scheduled for the routine treatment plan of 5 weeks of radiation concurrent with 4 chemo treatments (cisplatin and taxotere) at M.D. Anderson (the number 1 or 2 cancer hospital in the world) I was shocked to learn that my insurer was attempting to deny paying for part of my treatment by characterizing the chemo portion of the treatment as "experimental" (which, according to the Moore interview, is one of their common tactics).

M.D. Anderson and my insurance agent battled them for me and eventually the insurer did approve payments for the chemo. This was not the kind of aggravation that I needed as I was preparing to go through treatment to save my life. Fortunately I am a lawyer and have lawyer friends and was in a position to protect myself, although at the time, treatment was imminent and I did not have time to screw around.

The moral of the story, is to keep fighting these people and get a lawyer if you need one. All the insurance companies care about is the bottom line and the best way to insure their profits is to pay you less. They also know that if one of these cases ever gets before a jury, they will lose. I was fortunate to have disability insurance as well, but dealing with two disability carriers was no pleasure either. A fraud investigator, who "just happened to be in my part of the country" wanted to come by and meet me so he "could put a face with the name". One of my former partners represented me for free and instructed the guy to meet me at his office and did most of the talkiing for me. By this time I was already beginning to feel badly from the radiation and might have already been on the feeding tube.
Later on the other company sent its former cop, fraud investigator, and then accountants to go through my records. Their medical staffs were constantly picking over the required monthly reports that my doctor and I were required to fill out, suggesting, then alleging that I was fully ready to go back to my work in my specific occupation as a "trial lawyer." Sure I was ready.... 20 pounds underweight, living on a liquid diet, with a sore throat, fatigue and a very hoarse voice, taking vicodin, concentration lacking, wondering if I was going to survive, I was ready to go pick a jury and begin a murder trial! Fortunately my health improved eventually and I quit receiving the disability payments, but not until I was ready to begin doing trial work again.

Just remember, the nice guy that you grew up with or the friendly neighbor down the street who sold you an insurance policy is not the same guy or lady that you have to deal with when the time comes to make a claim.

Give 'em hell!

Danny G.


Stage IV Base of Tongue SCC
Diagnosed July 1, 2002, chemo and radiation treatments completed beginning of Sept/02.
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Hello Danny

It all comes down to money. Our whole stinking existance is about money. You are programed to go get in your tin coffin and drive everyday and go make money for someone else.

In the 50's & 60's I man could work 40 hours and the wife could stay home and raise a fine family and you would live a modestly comfortable life.

Now both husband and wife MUST work just to SCRAPE by. And the kids are programed for the $150.00 sneakers.

The illegal immagrants here in S. Fla. won't work for less than $10.00 cash. And don't let anyone fool you. They are stealing valuable jobs. $10.00 an hour is $20,800.00 a year.

Minimum wage is $5.15 hr. it will go up .70 cents every July for the next three years. 5.85 07', 6.55 08', 7.25 09'.

If it were 2009 now and your making 7.25 @ 40 hrs. = $290.00 wk. = $15,080.00 yearly.WTF! You could just get by if you were single and alone and very boring with no interests.

Damn, did I just describe the perfect spouse?

Money, money, money. THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL!

I wish I could just go to Montana and live off the land. Now that's good living! smile


DX 3-21-07 L tongue,SCC Stage IV (T3N2MO) TX Slash/Burn/Poison Method.
***Rapid Aggressive Recurrence 8-4-07 with same DX/TX. Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. Never Give Up! ****UPDATE**** Our dear friend Petey passed away, RIP 9-2-07
#53279 06-09-2007 05:17 PM
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Or move to Canada!


Anne-Marie
CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)



#53280 06-10-2007 04:47 AM
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C'mon up! we've got lots of space, some of the most beautiful mountains you'll ever see, and pretty damn good health care that's not costing us a thousand bucks a month in insurance premiums.

Plus, we Canadians are really friendly !:^)


SCC left mandible TIVN0M0 40% of jaw removed, rebuilt using fibula, titanium and tissue from forearm.June 06. 30 IMRT Aug.-Oct. 06
#53281 06-25-2007 11:13 AM
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Yes us Canadian's are very lucky to have our health care system. Everyone is treated equally; rich or poor, young or old. Yes there are pro's and con's to everything; however we really can't complain.

Best wishes to you all!
LisaB


My Dad (Sam) at age 69 dx SCC Base of Tongue T1N2C Well-Diff - March 2006.

35 IMRT rads & 3 Cisplatin chemos - Apr-June/06. Nodes shrunk 50% Dr's suggest ND. Negative PET - he declined ND.

March/07 Had Bilateral ND. No Cancer!! Doing Well!
#53282 06-28-2007 01:40 AM
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It is a money issue. You have to constantly fight with the insurance company. My significant other has a cancer policy. It has been a month since we submitted a claim to get the cash, and nothing yet.You can never talk to the same person and all they say is that it is being processed. I call every week to no avail. This company, United American out of McKinney, Texas is downright terrible. They have a website, but no toll free number to call. I had to call the Texas Insurance Commission to get a phone number. Dealing with cancer is frustrating enough, then componded by dealing with these idiots. What's a person to do?

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Hi junklady

I found that with my Cancer policy, it took about 5-6 weeks to get things processed and checks out the door. As more claims were submitted, it seemed to get somewhat better.

Hang in there, but don't let them get the best of ya.

Kevin


18 YEAR SURVIVOR
SCC Tongue (T3N0M0) diag 06/2006.
No evidence of disease 2010
Another PET 12-2014 pre-HBO, still N.E.D.


�Remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet. It matters that you don't just give up.�
Stephen Hawking
#53284 07-01-2007 12:50 AM
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So far, and I mean SO FAR, I have had no trouble dealing with the insurance company, but then i havent had my surgery yet of course so we will see!!

Being originally from England (been in USA since '99) I still find it hard to reconcile that you have to pay (even with insurance) a quite large chunk of money to get treated!


Dx:06/08/07 SCC left Lateral tongue Stage I/II
Tx: 07/09/07 Partial -10% approx. of tongue taken round 1cm x 3cm No rad/Chemo deemed necessary.....ex smoker
07/17/07 CLEAR MARGINS!!!
05/15/10 Sore has returned and will not leave.back to see ENT 05/17/10
04/07/11 Lump on neck.....ENT on 04/12/11
#53285 07-01-2007 07:17 AM
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I couldn't agree more that our health care system is badly broken and it's because we allow the companies paying the medical bills to make a profit. In fact, they are contractually obligated to try to make as big a profit as they can for their shareholders. That is just fundamentally at odds with receiving good quality care. And we should all be up in arms about it. There are a lot of people that think things would be worse if health care were run by the government but the fundamental difference is there wouldn't be that root-level conflict of interest between profit and good care. Yes, government programs can be messed up, but they could hardly be more messed up than our system is right now.

That said, my insurance company has been remarkably good, so far, about paying for everything, including out of state second opinions on things. Maybe it's because I was diagnosed with two cancers at once and they know if they mess up with me I could become a really good newspaper story about the heartlessness of insurance companies, I don't know. But I have really not had to do much fighting with them about coverage. And for that I am *extremely* grateful!

Nelie


SCC(T2N0M0) part.glossectomy & neck dissect 2/9/05 & 2/25/05.33 IMRT(66 Gy),2 Cisplatin ended 06/03/05.Stage I breast cancer treated 2/05-11/05.Surgery to remove esophageal stricture 07/06, still having dilatations to keep esophagus open.Dysphagia. "When you're going through hell, keep going"
#53286 07-02-2007 10:40 AM
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Here in the Uk we are lucky in that it's possible to pay for 'Private Treatment' or go with the National Health Sevice where everyone is treated the same and drugs are a reasonable price if you can afford them, free if not!

However, i went to the dentist with first symptoms in January, referral to Maxillo-facial surgeon was scheduled for April 19th, took til May 15th to get MRI and was June before final diagnosis!

And not really any choice of specialists or cancer treatment centres, and we've to 'fight'--and wait for--'second opinion'
That said, having finally 'got into the system', my team is absolutely wonderful--thorough, caring and providing extra support emotionally when needed--nothing is too much trouble.

I don't know how we'd cope here if we had to go through what you Americans have to organise and pay for!
Brenda


Brenda in UK--Diagnosis 30/5/07--undifferentiated carcinoma in right jawbone and muscles. Stage 4
6/7/07--new diagnosis primary is in lung. Finished 4cycles of palliative carboplatin/gemcitabine
therapy September 07
Now dying to live!
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