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#41792 09-12-2007 05:20 AM
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Okay, my parents met with the oncologist to discuss cisplatin hearing loss issues and I asked them to ask about Carboplatin (I was subtley not invited to the meeting..they say they want me around when it treatment begins)
The outcome is that the hemo-onc now wants them to use cetuximab (Erbitux)and I was told they have not used carboplatin on this kind of cancer in this hospital.
I am confused as from what I have read cisplatin and carboplatin are related toxins that actually damage cells, whereas cetuximab is an antibody that stops growth, right?
I am not a doctor,(my mantra) I just don't understand why he would reccommend such a different kind/family of agent.
I have read very closely in this forum and seems that everyone here had Erbitux after surgery/chem/IMRT or on a recurrence but not 1st time with IMRT.
Dad is Squamous Cell Carcinoma of Tonsil spread to toungue and 2 lymph nodes T2N2M0 Stage 4a
Oral surgeon gave him the go ahead and he starts on Friday.


Caregiver to father,Frank -Tonsil SCC spread to base of tongue 2 lymph, T2N2M0 stage 4a, IMRT 35x, Erbitux 8x-stopped after 5 due to thrush infection and strp infection in PEG,diag Aug 07 tx concluded Nov 8 07 PEG issues Inpatient Oct 8th-Nov 8th.
#41793 09-12-2007 10:31 AM
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Mariam,
Erbitux is a relatively new player compared to the older platinum componds. Both platinum compounds act by damaging DNA, if enough DNA is damaged the cells give up and die (those that grow quickly). They make the cells more susceptible to radiation damage (radiosensitizers). This is quite commonly used in H&N cancers.

For the Erbitux please follow this follwing link:
http://www.cancer.gov/clinicaltrials/results/head-neck-cetuximab0604

In short Erbitux helps compared to radiation alone. But you need to read the limitation (in that text), especially with respect to platinum/radiotherapy. (platinum/RT was NOT compared to Erbitux/RT). The effectiveness of Erbitux depends on the type of cancer. Many head and neck cancers overexpress epidermal growth factor receptor (the target of Erbitux).

They conclude ....At present, for patients who can tolerate it, chemoradiotherapy with cisplatin remains the standard of care."
There may be newer data available of which I am not aware!

On a different note: I was supposed to get Erbitux myself. In some people (2-3%) it causes serious complications and I landed in the ER (anaphylactic shock). Fortunately, this is quite rare. What still irks me is the audacity of my former MO who sent me a bill for his "treatment" despite the fact that he was alerted by me and my GP that I may be sensitive to Erbitux. We agreed on a test dose.... (It also did not help that his oxygene bottle was empty)
Subsequently, I had weekly cisplatin then carboplatin treatments (different MO) along with IMRT.

Best

Markus


Partial glossectomy (25%) anterior tongue. 4/6/07/. IMRT start @5/24/07 (3x) Erbitux start/end@ 5/24/07. IMRT wider field (30x) start 6/5/07. Weekly cisplatin (2x30mg/m2), then weekly carbo- (5x180mg/m2). End of Tx 19 July 07.
#41794 09-12-2007 03:33 PM
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Mariam, Erbitux was the last resort for my husband's recurrance- after Carboplatin and Taxol failed- his cancer was floor of mouth, tongue and lymph nodes. Maybe youal should question these Docs again. Amy in the Ozarks


CGtoJohn:SCC Flr of Mouth.Dx 3\05. Surg.4\05.T3NOMO.IMRTx30. Recur Dx 1\06.Surg 2\06. Chemo: 4 Cycles of Carbo\Taxol:on Erbitux for 7 mo. Lost our battle 2-23-07- But not the will to fight this disease

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Hi Mariam,
My mother recently completed 31 tx's of IMRT and 8 cycles of Erbitux. Overall, I'd say she did very well with this protocol. Her RO, MO and surgeon are all very pleased with her results. It seems to have shrunk the tumor considerably, on Monday, the 17th she will have brachtherapy surgery.
I know for me it helped so much being a part of the appts. I don't think I would have been able to understand as much if I had not been invited to listen in at the time the doctor was explaining everything. I am her primary caregiver and for me it was so important to understand and be able to ask many questions if I needed to.


Donna
CG to Mom, dx 4/25/07 with tongue cancer,T3N0,tx began 7/6/07, 31 tx's of IMRT, 8 cycles of Erbitux. Brachytherapy, surgery, left neck dissection and temp trach placed all on 9/17/07, trach removed 10/17/07. ORN of jaw, late effect of radiation symptoms. **lost my beautiful mother on 5/5/11.

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