#40608 01-07-2007 10:56 PM | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1 Member | OP Member Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1 | This is my first post on this forum so Hello.
I'll try to keep the background brief. My MIL has tongue cancer - she is a non smoker and non drinker and we suspect she got it from her workplace. She is 68 years old.
She had her first op on 28th December to remove the tumours in her neck and 1/3 of her tongue removed and reconstruct with a flap from the veins in her left arm. This failed after 5 days. She has now had 4 operations, used both the right and left arm veins and all have failed. Her blood keeps clotting and they don't know the reason why.
Tomorrow she has her 5th operation to sew down whats left of her tongue into the base of her mouth to fill the gap and also to insert a PEG tube. This will leave her without speech and nil by mouth.
She starts 20 sessions of radiotherapy on 28th January.
Can anyone advise what sort of quality of life she will have with PEG tube and no speech? Also any ideas why the reconstructive work kept failing because of blood clots?
Thanks for any help anyone can offer. We thought we were fighting cancer but now all these extras have been added into the equation. | | |
#40609 01-08-2007 12:28 PM | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 417 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 417 | If your asking Quality vs Quantity, only she can answer that question. BUT, in my opinion, hang on to life at all costs and fight with all your power, this disease. Speech will return, and as for PEG, I have had my gastrostomy for 3 years, I cannot even take a sip of water, everything goes into the now, G-tube (G-tube is much like a foley catheter it can be changed in 2 minutes). I change my own G-tube every six months. Additionally, her PEG may also be temporary, most PEGs are removed after a few months and people start eating again. I am exception to the rule with so much damage to the epiglotis I am permanently dysphagic. Darrell
Stage 3, T3,N1,M0,SCC, Base of Tongue. No Surgery, Radiationx39, Chemo, Taxol & Carboplatin Weekly 8 Treatments 2004. Age 60. Recurrence 2/06, SCC, Chest & Neck (Sub clavean), Remission 8/06. Recurrence SCC 12/10/06 Chest.
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#40610 01-08-2007 12:31 PM | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 417 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 417 | I forget to mention, that as long as the vocal cords vibrate, there is speech. It is not even in the picture as a factor to quality of life. Darrell
Stage 3, T3,N1,M0,SCC, Base of Tongue. No Surgery, Radiationx39, Chemo, Taxol & Carboplatin Weekly 8 Treatments 2004. Age 60. Recurrence 2/06, SCC, Chest & Neck (Sub clavean), Remission 8/06. Recurrence SCC 12/10/06 Chest.
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#40611 01-09-2007 06:27 AM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | I can't really give a definitive answer to someone else's quality of life definition. It seems as we all embark on this journey, we quickly adjust to whatever we have to work with. As is the case with Darrell, he has learned through his somewhat extended journey that life is the measure of quality of life. I catch myself reminiscing what things were "before" and I migrate towards Darrell's perspective that life in general will always be whatever you want to make of it.
For your MIL, CLF, it will be some time before she will know what any sense of "normal" will be and she is really at the beginning a very long and difficult process. Fortunately, you have come to a place where many have been down this same road. The "fight" ahead, unfortunately will be much more than just the big C. Try to work with her at keeping track of the worst issues first and eventually the list will be smaller.
Best wishes for your MIL and entire family.
Ed
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
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#40612 01-09-2007 02:19 PM | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 | Dear ClJ, you hae posed one of the toughest questions there is to answer. I read it last night and have been thinking ever since what an appropriate answer might be. I think my attitude-and my husband's- is "To thine own self be true". Only she can be the judge of what an acceptable quality of life is to her. The most important thing is that her family supports whatever decision she makes. Amy
CGtoJohn:SCC Flr of Mouth.Dx 3\05. Surg.4\05.T3NOMO.IMRTx30. Recur Dx 1\06.Surg 2\06. Chemo: 4 Cycles of Carbo\Taxol:on Erbitux for 7 mo. Lost our battle 2-23-07- But not the will to fight this disease
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#40613 01-10-2007 02:34 AM | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 248 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 248 | AMY and JOHN, My sentiments exactly, hope your coping as best you can in difficult times.
Mark D. Stage 3 Nasopharynx dx10/99 T2N3M0 40xrad 2x Cisplatin 5FU. acute leuk 1998.
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#40614 01-10-2007 04:35 PM | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 | We are indeed- John coping better than I on many days, while I continually marvel at his courage and determination to make the best of this. Thanks, Mark, Amy
CGtoJohn:SCC Flr of Mouth.Dx 3\05. Surg.4\05.T3NOMO.IMRTx30. Recur Dx 1\06.Surg 2\06. Chemo: 4 Cycles of Carbo\Taxol:on Erbitux for 7 mo. Lost our battle 2-23-07- But not the will to fight this disease
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#40615 01-24-2007 01:25 PM | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 4 Member | Member Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 4 | Once you are released from the critical care doctors, I hope your family physician will care enough to follow up on your nutrition. Thatbwill be one of the things to decide your mortality after surgery leaving you with a peg tube. If you regain speech you are very lucky. If you ever lose the g-tube and are able to eat, you are very lucky. If you can even sip on soups or drinks you are very lucky. It is hard to fing a GI doctor that will take you so if you have a good one hang on to them at all costs.
G. Long
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