#40421 10-17-2006 08:49 AM | Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 167 Gold Member (100+ posts) | OP Gold Member (100+ posts) Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 167 | Hi,
When did they introduce Cisplatin to H&N rad treatment? (don't see anything when I Google).
Any reports or stats on: how well it works; it's advantages; are there less re-occurances; etc ??
Thank you.
My Dad (Sam) at age 69 dx SCC Base of Tongue T1N2C Well-Diff - March 2006.
35 IMRT rads & 3 Cisplatin chemos - Apr-June/06. Nodes shrunk 50% Dr's suggest ND. Negative PET - he declined ND.
March/07 Had Bilateral ND. No Cancer!! Doing Well!
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#40422 10-17-2006 08:14 PM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,140 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,140 Likes: 1 | LisaB, I have no idea when it was introduced, but I can tell you it was not new 5 years ago when I had it. I only had two influsions because my hearing got really strange so I was switched to carboplatin and one of the tax* drugs and can hear just fine today. I am also here today without recurrence, so as far as I am concerned, it is a good drug.
I just remembered one of the chemo docs telling me, as he took me off it, that he had used it 25 years previously and his patient went totally deaf. I do not know if that was a head and neck patient, but that indicates the drug has been around for a long time. | | |
#40423 10-18-2006 02:54 AM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 | Lisa, They did a big Phase III clinical trial using cisplatin with radiation the results of which were published in the New England Jounral of Medicine in 2004. Obviously it was being used before that, but with less certitude about how much benefit it added. That study in 04, as well as another done in Europe that came out at the same time, showed a reduction in recurrences by as much as 16% over people (with Stage III and IV cancers) who were just given radiation treatment alone.
Joanna's right cisplatin has been around for a long time. The nurse-practitioner in my MO's office has been an oncology nurse for over 25 years and rememebrs the early days of cisplatin, when there were no anti-emitics that could come close to controlling the nausea it produces. Thank goodness I wasn't treated then!
Nelie
SCC(T2N0M0) part.glossectomy & neck dissect 2/9/05 & 2/25/05.33 IMRT(66 Gy),2 Cisplatin ended 06/03/05.Stage I breast cancer treated 2/05-11/05.Surgery to remove esophageal stricture 07/06, still having dilatations to keep esophagus open.Dysphagia. "When you're going through hell, keep going"
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#40424 10-18-2006 03:40 AM | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | http://www.chemheritage.org/EducationalServices/pharm/chemo/readings/cisplat.htm Try "Cisplatin history" when you Google search I have read that it can add an additional 13% or so, to the 5 year survival when combined with RT. It is the firstline adjunctive ct (combined with RT) in the NCCN oncology practice guidelines. Some have had recurrences in spite of all possible measures being taken. I have not seen data on this subject - maybe Brian has. We have had many discussions about Cisplatin (AKA Platinol) Try searching the forum in "treatment & medications" topic there are 5 pages of hits on Cisplatin.
Gary Allsebrook *********************************** Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2 Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy) ________________________________________________________ "You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
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#40425 10-18-2006 04:29 AM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 | Gary, you post the most interesting links! Thanks for that one on cisplatinum. I guess I'm just a science geek sometimes, but I think the history of how things are discovered, especially when it's by accident, is fascinating stuff!
Nelie
SCC(T2N0M0) part.glossectomy & neck dissect 2/9/05 & 2/25/05.33 IMRT(66 Gy),2 Cisplatin ended 06/03/05.Stage I breast cancer treated 2/05-11/05.Surgery to remove esophageal stricture 07/06, still having dilatations to keep esophagus open.Dysphagia. "When you're going through hell, keep going"
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#40426 10-18-2006 03:10 PM | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 | Just to "muddy" these waters some- when we had our first appointment[this past summer] with John's chemo Doc, we talked about his existing palsey and hearing difficulties. The Doc said, "O.K., we'll use Carboplatin instead of Cisplatin- they are virtually the same results wise." Since I had been following Gail and Barry's tx, I felt O.K. with this. Amy
CGtoJohn:SCC Flr of Mouth.Dx 3\05. Surg.4\05.T3NOMO.IMRTx30. Recur Dx 1\06.Surg 2\06. Chemo: 4 Cycles of Carbo\Taxol:on Erbitux for 7 mo. Lost our battle 2-23-07- But not the will to fight this disease
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#40427 10-18-2006 11:51 PM | Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 624 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 624 | Amy is right, the results for carboplatin (as a radiosensitizer) seem to be essentially the same as for cisplatin (as Gary says, chemo appears to add 10-15% effectiveness to radiation). Our MO - who has done extensive research on chemoradiation for HNC -- felt that there was good reason to use carbo for Barry, as he has existing high-end hearing loss from infections as a kid and also has some benign familial tremor, a hereditary condition which could be exacerbated by the peripheral neuropathy associated with use of cisplatin as well as taxanes such as Taxol. Her exact words were "the radiation is the workhorse in this treatment and the chemotherapy simply enhances its effectiveness" The platinoid drugs inhibit the ability of a cancer cell to repair itself by forming platinum bonds within the cell's DNA.
The seven weekly carbo treatments were, in Barry's words, a "non-event" re side effects during treatment (of course he was given powerful antinausea drugs, Anzemet and/or Zofran) and afterwards. A hearing test after treatment showed no hearing loss compared to before-treatment test, and no problems with neuropathy.
Gail
CG to husband Barry, dx. 7/21/05, age 66, SCC rgt. tonsil, BOT, 2 nodes (stg. IV), HPV+, tonsillectomy, 7x carboplatin, 35x tomoTherapy IMRT w/ Ethyol @ Johns Hopkins, thru treatment 9/28/05, HPV vaccine trial 12/06-present. Looking good!
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#40428 10-19-2006 12:40 PM | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | I am a CPA, not a medical doc and especially not a cancer expert and I frankly hope never to become an expert on cancer. My MO, from Moffitt Cancer Institute, told me that concurrent use of Cisplatin and rad would enhance the effects of rad by 30%. He also told me that I may experience some hearing side effects from Cisplatin which may or may not become permanent. He also never mentioned Carboplatin until I told him I was experiencing some hearing difficulties at the very end of my treatment. As I posted a few days back, I have been told that I have permanent high end freq hearing loss.
Funny, we can't all get the same information with which to base the very important decisions they hit us with when we are most venerable.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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#40429 10-20-2006 02:14 AM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 | Although it seems logical that carboplatinum would work exactly the same way, since it is such a close cousin, to my knowlwedge no one hs done the kind of large scale clinical trials clearly documenting its effectiveness on oral cancer that that have been done with cisplatinum. I think what that means for those of us who aren't docs, is some docs are way more cautious than others about being willing to say that it is equally as effective.
SCC(T2N0M0) part.glossectomy & neck dissect 2/9/05 & 2/25/05.33 IMRT(66 Gy),2 Cisplatin ended 06/03/05.Stage I breast cancer treated 2/05-11/05.Surgery to remove esophageal stricture 07/06, still having dilatations to keep esophagus open.Dysphagia. "When you're going through hell, keep going"
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#40430 10-25-2006 12:51 PM | Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 624 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 624 | I am not sure if there have been many large trials which compared cisplatin vs. carboplatin as sole radiosensitizers, but in clinical practice a number of centers now use carbo because they get equivalent results without as many noxious side effects. This article from Moffitt Center, which cites two trials:
Treatment of Locally Advanced Head and Neck Cancer: Historical and Critical Review
Muhyi Al-Sarraf, MD, Cancer Control 9(5):387-399, 2002.
CG to husband Barry, dx. 7/21/05, age 66, SCC rgt. tonsil, BOT, 2 nodes (stg. IV), HPV+, tonsillectomy, 7x carboplatin, 35x tomoTherapy IMRT w/ Ethyol @ Johns Hopkins, thru treatment 9/28/05, HPV vaccine trial 12/06-present. Looking good!
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