#40194 08-08-2006 09:44 AM | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | Many of you have asked about Ethyol and in my travels I found this link which you may find interesting: http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/SAFETY/2006/Mar%20PIs/Ethyol_PI.pdf
Gary Allsebrook *********************************** Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2 Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy) ________________________________________________________ "You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
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#40195 08-15-2006 08:02 PM | Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 75 Senior Member (75+ posts) | Senior Member (75+ posts) Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 75 | Hi there, I was just reading about this Ethyol. Have you tried this? My dad just had 2/3 of his tounge, lower jaw, and neck nodes removed. He had another surgery five days after to remove 1cm around base of tounge where his tumor was. Now he is home after two weeks in the hospital and will soon start radiation. He had a feeding tube put in. Can this Ethyol be put into his tube? Is this only for chemo? Sorry we are still new to the game.Thanks
karen and dad
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#40196 08-15-2006 11:51 PM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,019 | Ethyol is something given by injection. It's not something that gets put through a tube.
It is not only for chemo--it can prevent xerostomia (drymouth) whether or not you are having chemo. Depending on what your Dad's radiation plan is, he may be at more or less risk of lasting drymouth. Ethyol is hard to take (it made me vomit almost every single time) and isn't anywhere near 100% efective at preventing drymouth (I still have a very dry mouth) so there are some plusses and some minuses.
Nelie
SCC(T2N0M0) part.glossectomy & neck dissect 2/9/05 & 2/25/05.33 IMRT(66 Gy),2 Cisplatin ended 06/03/05.Stage I breast cancer treated 2/05-11/05.Surgery to remove esophageal stricture 07/06, still having dilatations to keep esophagus open.Dysphagia. "When you're going through hell, keep going"
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#40197 08-19-2006 07:11 AM | Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 75 Senior Member (75+ posts) | Senior Member (75+ posts) Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 75 | Hi thanks for the info. Did you get the dry mouth from the surgery or the meds or both or the radiation? Have you stopped the Ethynol? I hope you are feeling better soon.
karen and dad
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#40198 08-19-2006 07:31 AM | Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 115 Gold Member (100+ posts) | Gold Member (100+ posts) Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 115 | Hi Karen. My husband's doctors did not advise the Ethyol, but we wanted to try it anyway, as initially, I was very scared and worried about the "quality of life" effects my husband would face from radiation. He tried it, lasted only one day, as it made him extremely ill. He could not face another day of it, so we decided it wouldn't be worth it. After all is said and done, I am glad he didn't try to keep taking it and put himself through even more misery, because although he has a very dry mouth, it is very manageable, he doesn't have to constantly be drinking something. This is even with him having had conventional radiation, which is supposed to be worse than IMRT as far as affecting saliva glands. I don't want to talk you out of having your dad consider Ethyol, because there are some who can tolerate it, but as Nelie points out, it isn't totally effective even if you can tolerate it. Best of luck to your dad. Michele
Michele, caregiver to husband, Jesse, SCC diagnosed 1/5/06 unknown primary, lf neck mass >6 cm. Chemo (Cisplatin 2x; Carboplatin & Taxol 2x) & XRT radiation 39X ending 4/4/06. Rad neck dissection 8.5 hrs 4/13/06. 30 HBO treatments Fall 2006.
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#40199 08-19-2006 12:17 PM | Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 251 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 251 | Karen, Just another perspective for you... My husband had Ethyol each day of radiation - 37 total. Yes, the Ethyol added to the nausea (especially on the days the chemo was kicking in) - but he is glad that he stuck with it. His doctors tell him that he has more moisture in his mouth than many of their patients.
He had a PICC line for his chemo delivery, so the Ethyol was delivered via that line. Things may have changed since then - this was 3 years and 4 months and 3 weeks ago (but who's counting).
Anyway, best to you as you make your way through all of this. I know that it can be confusing at times - but this is really a wonderful place to get some stories of first-hand experience.
Anita
Husband Dx 12/02 Stage 4 Tonsil Cancer T1N2bM0; surgery, radiation, chemo 1/03 - 4/03.
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#40200 08-19-2006 06:21 PM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Karen (and dad),
I had Ethyol injections for about half of my radiation before I developed a severe reaction to it that required hospitalization for a couple of days to get things under control. I believe I benefitted from it but I still have dry mouth, especially when outdoors.
Ed
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
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#40201 08-19-2006 08:08 PM | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | I personally did not have it or need it. I had IMRT and only lost the parotid that was in the immediate radiation field. All of my other salivary glands made a complete recovery and my salivary function is as close to normal as I remember it. It did take a good 18 months. I still drink a lot of water however.
Ethyol, as Ed mentioned, can has serious side effects in many people. Only a relative few here have been able to tolerate the full course. If you are having XRT, then it may be your only shot. I have not heard that chemo causes permanent zerostomia. Radiation is the usual culprit. It is administered by injection only.
Gary Allsebrook *********************************** Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2 Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy) ________________________________________________________ "You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
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