#2790 06-19-2004 02:15 PM | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4 Member | OP Member Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4 | I had surgery for an invasive squamous cell cancer tumor in the back of my neck at the base of my skull earlier this year. Recently, a friend gave me a biography of George Harrison, which states that his cancer first presented as a tumor in the back of his neck etc. in 1997. Was his cancer oral cancer, or cancer of the neck, or or something else? I am still confused. Are there types of regular checkups that I should be having apart from dermatological? Many thanks. | | |
#2791 06-20-2004 09:10 AM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 67 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 67 | This is all an issue of semantics. Oral cancers comprise more than 70% of all head and neck cancers. Broadly speaking, within oral cancers you have those in the anterior of the mouth called oral, those in the back of the mouth and the top of the throat and soft palate referred top as oropharyngeal cancers, those in the back of the mouth, soft palate and involving structures above the back of the throat as well are nasopharyngeal cancers, and those of the throat itself. Laryngeal cancer is usually referred to as a cancer unto itself, though the risk factors for it are the same as oral cancers. There are about 12,000 laryngeal cancers diagnosed each year, so if you added those to the categories already mentioned which have about 30,000 diagnoses, you would get about 42,000 per year. Then to further muddy the name-based issue, this cancer produces second primaries, as well as metastasis from the original primary cancer. Alan King was originally a maxillary oral cancer patient. When he died just a few months ago, 7 years out from his original oral cancer (which he had been declared disease free from) it was from lung cancer. However, this pulmonary cancer was a second primary from his oral cancer... so the question could be raised from which did he die? Semantics. To the best of my information Mr. Harrison originally had a tobacco induced oral cancer for which he was treated, and declared cancer free. It involved his throat like many of us as well as an oropharyngeal primary. Unfortunately he returned to smoking after his treatment, a testimony to the addiction of tobacco more than a weakness of the man, and developed a lung cancer, which then metastasized to a brain cancer. This would be considered a second primary even though the continued smoking was no doubt a factor. Oral cancers kill people not from the disease in their mouths, but from the metastasis of that disease to vital organs. Reporters have a poor understanding of this mechanism, so they will report that George Harrison died of a brain tumor, which is true but does not reflect the entire etiology of the process that created the disease.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | |
#2792 06-21-2004 04:02 AM | Joined: May 2004 Posts: 218 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: May 2004 Posts: 218 | Brian,
Great post. I was unaware that George had returned to smoking. That is a shame.
Thank for the info.... -rh
SCC 1.6cm Right Tonsil 10/3/03, 1 Node 3cm, T1N2AM0, Tonsil Removed, Selective Neck Disection, 4 Wks Induction Chemo (Taxol,Cisplatin), 8 Weeks Chemo/Radiation (5FU,Hydroxyurea,Iressa), IMRT x 40, Treatment Complete 2/13/04. 41 Years Old At Diagnosis
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#2793 06-21-2004 09:30 PM | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 164 Gold Member (100+ posts) | Gold Member (100+ posts) Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 164 | Brian,
You never cease to amaze me at your wealth of knowledge of this disease. I am honored to know you and am truly grateful that you are using your talents to serve others.
Lynn
Stage 3, N0, M0 oral tongue cancer survivor, 85-90% of tongue removed, neck disection, left tonsil removed, chemo/radiation treatments, surgery 11/03, raditation ended 1/04, lung mets discovered 4/04,
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#2794 06-22-2004 02:13 AM | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4 Member | OP Member Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4 | Brian, Thank you for your very informative reply. I appreciate your knowledge of the subject and your ability to share it. | | |
#2795 06-22-2004 06:05 AM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 162 Gold Member (100+ posts) | Gold Member (100+ posts) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 162 | That was a great post, Brian. I have heard that Eddie Van Halen returned to smoking as well.
-Brett
Base of Tongue SCC. Stage IV, T1N2bM0. Diagnosed 25 July 2003. Treated with 6 weeks induction chemo -- Taxol & Carboplatin once a week followed with 30 fractions IMRT, 10 fields per fraction over 6 more weeks. Recurrence October 2005.
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#2796 06-22-2004 07:49 AM | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,116 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,116 | Does anyone know exactly what type of cancer Eddie Van Halen had and treatment he was given? Just curious, don't mean to hi-jack...Thanks, Carol
Diagnosed May 2002 with Stage IV tongue cancer, two lymph nodes positive. Surgery to remove 1/2 tongue, neck dissection, 35 radiation treatments. 11/2007, diagnosed with cancer of soft palate, surgery 12/14/07, jaw split. 3/24/10, cancer on tongue behind flap, need petscan, surgery scheduled 4/16/10 ---update passed away 8-27-11---
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#2797 06-22-2004 12:16 PM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 67 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,918 Likes: 67 | Eddie had tongue cancer, SCC, and was treated at MDACC. He had a life long relationship with both tobacco and alcohol, which made him an ideal candidate for this cancer. He is another that reportedly has not given up smoking after all this.......... If he was treated at MDACC he had the conventional treatments recommended by all the comprehensive cancer centers.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | |
#2798 06-23-2004 02:12 AM | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,116 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,116 | Thanks Brian, have a great day!!!! Carol
Diagnosed May 2002 with Stage IV tongue cancer, two lymph nodes positive. Surgery to remove 1/2 tongue, neck dissection, 35 radiation treatments. 11/2007, diagnosed with cancer of soft palate, surgery 12/14/07, jaw split. 3/24/10, cancer on tongue behind flap, need petscan, surgery scheduled 4/16/10 ---update passed away 8-27-11---
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#2799 06-23-2004 02:55 AM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Brian,
George Harrison is my second favorite musician, behind Eric Clapton. Thanks for the great posts and I am sure we share a lot of the same interests in music. Can't wait to meet you in person.
Ed
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
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