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The recreational eating is something I don’t get. Without knowing it is happening, and with no sensation of it, people who have compromised swallowing, usually from physical and neurological radiation damage, will develop silent aspiration and some liquids and food particulate will end up in the lungs while eating and drinking. While the body can clear minor amounts of this, it ultimately causes aspiration pneumonia. This is different than regular pneumonia as it carries additional bacteria into the lungs, from oral sources. This requires different antibiotics to deal with. If it happens and is treated often enough, people will develop antibiotic resistance, and the pneumonia will become intractable and deadly. A famous example is Director Bruce Paltrow who continued to eat while this was happening. He ultimately died in Italy. There is no indication that the doctors there understood the difference in aspiration pneumonia, and it is possible, but unknown if his pneumonia worsened and seemed unresponsive because of the antibiotics chosen. Nevertheless, this is not something to mess around with.

I wanted to eat real food for as long as possible. I had had a PEG tube for a year during and after treatment long before IMRT and when the collateral damage and pain from the treatments was significant. Years later I was eating relatively normally, but in an 18 month period I was treated, and then later hospitalized for aspiration pneumonia three times. That last time was a very difficult battle with IV antibiotic cocktails to get rid if it. It was clear that the next time I might not survive it.

I got a new PEG, and became NPO or nothing by mouth. No water, no food, no smoothies, nothing. I have been that way for 4 years now. I’ve learned a lot about PEGs and have selected a new design that doesn’t dangle, and I’ve learned to blend a highly nutritious diet of real food which pretty much is the same every meal. It’s chosen for nutrition, as taste is no longer an issue. It has a pretty weird combination of things in it you would never put together in your mouth. The reasons for that in another post. My cardiologist could not be happier about what this diet has done to my blood work combined with routine exercise.I can add weight, lean body mass, even at my older age.

For this post I will just caution about the aspiration issue. I know several people who have died this way because they were stubborn and could not accept their fate. Recreational eating is an oxymoron. You have no sensation that you are aspirating anything. Why would you risk it? B

Last edited by Brian Hill; 12-10-2022 12:51 PM.

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Hi Tristeve here again. I just read the recent posts and yes, these long term side effects truly stink! I have had a PEG for 18 months now and it is truly a life saver. I must have has aspirated pneumonia 6 times. Then a doctor told me if I don't get a PEG, I will die. Hard truth. These days I am "OK". 95% goes through the PEG. I try to eat and drink a little bit every day, but that may stop in the near future. BTW, as Brian suggests, I do blend my own food, more nutritious, better for me. So I am OK with being a "Tubie" what I really hate is my speech. One on one, in a closed quiet place I am OK, but forget it in a group and I really struggle on the phone. Often just impossible. All that being said I remind myself what my ENT said......it bears the alternative!!!! So, yes, my life has changes so much, but I am still moving and trying to accept the New Normal


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NPO and bad voice after 12 years
But doing great
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Back again after a few years of pursuing all options for swallowing safely…recreational eating as one doctor called it. Unfortunately whatever started to deteriorate in 2022 when I first wrote about it has continued. My husband began an intensive speech therapy program followed by esophageal dilations, and a cracopharyngeal myotomy. Last year it became clear that these interventions weren’t going to work at this stage of his Dysphagia.

He has been on a peg tube and totally reliant on formula for nutrition since 2022. Over the last year he has been to the ER 6 x for aspiration pneumonia. What started as an attempt to resume swallowing function in 2022 has turned into a search for identifying the cause of the aspiration event and finding ways of preventing it from happening again. Each hospitalization has been a learning experience. He learned to sleep on a slant, pace his feedings, takes antacids..the list goes on yet no definitive cause has been identified. Sometimes it looks like a buildup of saliva in his throat and at others it appears to be regurgitation. The most recent option doctors offered is to convert from a g-tube to a g/j tube. We have no information on how effective this may be or what additional lifestyle changes will be needed.

Does anyone have experience with this method of feeding?


Base of tongue spread to 2 lymph nodes.stg?? Dx 5/5/09 peg
Tx started with 35 rad, 7 weeks cisplatin, 2 weeks 5-fu.
completed second course of tx with reduced dose of cisplatin &
5-fu. All clear
Post radiation swallowing difficulties 12 years later
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