| Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 10 Member | OP Member Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 10 | Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum. My mom was recently diagnosed with stage 4 oral cavity cancer. She needs to have a portion of gum, jaw, tongue and pharynx removed as well as the lymph nodes on the right side of her neck removed. After pathology comes back we'll know if she needs radiation and chemo. We met with 2 doctors who we really like. One reconstructs the jaw using the leg bone and the other reconstructs using the shoulder blade. Is there anyone who had reconstruction using the shoulder blade? I believe that one is less used. My mom is 71 so one of the doctors recommended the shoulder blade to decrease odds of DVT and embolism and to get her mobile sooner. We are having a tough time deciding.
I'm supporting my mom who was diagnosed with scc. 6/4/15- 1st saw dentist with complaints of lesion that wouldn't heal. 8/2/15 after visits to primary and dentist for second opinion, biopsy performed on gums and tongue. 8/4/15 diagnosis of scc of oral cavity (stage 4) 9/22- surgery for resection of portion of jaw, 60% of tongue, floor of mouth, soft palate, pharynx and neck dissection. Reconstruction with leg bone and skin graft from thigh.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Welcome to OCF. You are in the right place for info and support. We will help you and your mother get thru her upcoming battle.
Im sorry but I cant remember any members who have done this type of surgery and used the shoulder instead of their leg bone or a titanium plate. My suggestion would be to get the very best medical care you can for her. If you have an option to take her to a comprehensive cancer center (CCC), thats the avenue I would recommend. At a CCC, they use a team based approach so all the doctors meet together and are all on the same page. They have a better overall outcome percentage, much better than smaller local hospitals where this type of cancer isnt treated as often.
Best wishes with everything! ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 | Welcome to OCF, Jessica.
This is the best place to hear first hand experience of patients that have undergone oral cancer treatment.
Finding doctors you can trust is really important and it seems you like the ones you have now. Since you have questions about the recommendation you can and should obtain a second opinion. There may be other options that might be available. Good luck. Don
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 31 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 31 | My mom is 76. She has the jaw replacement with her lower leg (not shoulder blade, sorry). She was up with therapy 3 days post surgery. She was doing three laps around the nurses station at a time by the time she left the hospital 8 days post surgery and was getting around with a four wheel walker by the time she started radiation.
The shoulder surgery may be easier, never heard of it. But in just my case, the leg surgery wasn't too devastating.
Caregiver to mom Chris, symptoms started 12/18/13. Biopsy 1/18/14, Diagnosed t2n2 2/3 2014. 3x Carboplatin and Taxotere finished 4/21/14. Chemo/Rads 8 erbitux 36 rads began 5/12/2014. End 6/20/2014. Pnuemonia 6/23/2014. 1 month in hospital 3 in rehab. PEt NED 11/8/2014, T3 recurrence DX 3/4/2015. Hemiglossectomy/mandiblectomy 4/27/2015. 30 rads end 07/24/2015. 4 years NED.
| | | | Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 10 Member | OP Member Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 10 | How do I know if its a CCC? The 2 I'm looking are NYU and Mt. Sinai.
I'm supporting my mom who was diagnosed with scc. 6/4/15- 1st saw dentist with complaints of lesion that wouldn't heal. 8/2/15 after visits to primary and dentist for second opinion, biopsy performed on gums and tongue. 8/4/15 diagnosis of scc of oral cavity (stage 4) 9/22- surgery for resection of portion of jaw, 60% of tongue, floor of mouth, soft palate, pharynx and neck dissection. Reconstruction with leg bone and skin graft from thigh.
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I'm supporting my mom who was diagnosed with scc. 6/4/15- 1st saw dentist with complaints of lesion that wouldn't heal. 8/2/15 after visits to primary and dentist for second opinion, biopsy performed on gums and tongue. 8/4/15 diagnosis of scc of oral cavity (stage 4) 9/22- surgery for resection of portion of jaw, 60% of tongue, floor of mouth, soft palate, pharynx and neck dissection. Reconstruction with leg bone and skin graft from thigh.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | There is much confusion with the term CCC or CC. Any hospital can call themselves a Comprehensive Cancer Center or Cancer Center for that matter, and there is no trade name for such. There are organizations such as NCCN, National Comprehensive Cancer Network and NCI, National Cancer Institute, that have their own approved listing, as well as U.S. News Report's Best Hospital listings in Cancer, ENT. The two you mention, NYU and Mt. Sinai are both top cancer hospitals, especially in ENT, and are on the above lists, and I go to both, in addition too, Beth Israel, which is part of Mt. Sinai now. http://www.nccn.org/members/network.aspxhttp://www.cancer.gov/research/nci-role/cancer-centers/findhttp://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals/rankings
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 10 Member | OP Member Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 10 | Paul, which doctor did your ORN surgery?
I'm supporting my mom who was diagnosed with scc. 6/4/15- 1st saw dentist with complaints of lesion that wouldn't heal. 8/2/15 after visits to primary and dentist for second opinion, biopsy performed on gums and tongue. 8/4/15 diagnosis of scc of oral cavity (stage 4) 9/22- surgery for resection of portion of jaw, 60% of tongue, floor of mouth, soft palate, pharynx and neck dissection. Reconstruction with leg bone and skin graft from thigh.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | Long story since I've been treated all over NYC, but basically was being followed at Beth Israel as of mid 2012, and needed most my teeth extracted by then, but persistent cancer prevented that, and HBOT, so it was finally done last November, but the 3rd molar socket didn't heal, showed bone, even with conservative treatment, so I had minor oral surgery with a buccal flap with the oral/maxillofacial surgeon there, Dr. Alan Schwimmer, who did the extractions, but that still didn't heal, so was sent to the chief oral maxillofacial surgeon at the same location, Dr. Daniel Buchbinder, who is an expert with ORN, for possibly extensive surgery, but it is finally healing after conservative treatment. He, and the Chief/Director of Surgical Oncology at Beth Israel, Dr. Mark Urken, are experts as well as others like NYU, Mt. Sinai, even MSKCC, NY Presbyterian, Lenox Hill, so there are many to choose from, which makes it difficult in selecting. I notice on your link it's the oral cancer division at NYU. I go to the Division of Otolaryngology Head and Neck Surgery and Oncology, which may be a different location, different doctors for the most part than the oral cancer division. http://nyulangone.org/conditions/head-neck-cancer/treatments/surgery-for-head-neck-cancerhttp://www.wehealny.org/services/BI_otolaryngology/staff.html
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 72 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 72 | [quote=Jessica22]How do I know if its a CCC? The 2 I'm looking are NYU and Mt. Sinai. [/quote]
Hi Jessica, Newsweek had a recent issue on the best cancer doctors. At Mt. Sinai they call out Eric M Genden, Sr., whose specialty is cancer surgery and reconstruction. At Beth Isreal, Stimson Schantz, at NYU, Mark Persky. They may call out others at those hospitals, but the list is by doctor's name, not institution.
My husband developed a blood clot in the leg a couple of weeks after surgery. We weren't expecting it and it was found serendipitously. Treated with warfran and not a big deal.
Good luck with your choice, don't second guess it. Your family is in my prayers. Susan
Susan, CG to husband, diagnosed April 2010, age 56, non-smoker, no HPV Mandibulectomy on left side May 2010 followed by 30 radiation, 3 cisplatin treatments. | | |
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