| Joined: May 2010 Posts: 61 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: May 2010 Posts: 61 | Most of us have probably been told we don't have an option for implants, and your oncology dentist may have also told you that you cannot have extractions done (fear of tissue not healing).
In a SPOHNC support group meeting today, I found out some patients are able to get teeth extracted by doing 20 treatments in a hyperbolic chamber, then the extraction, then 10 more hyperbolic treatments.
May be good news to some.
Survivor. 55yr male. Dx 07/09 SqCCa Stage IV, Rt Tonsil, Lt&Rt Lymph Nodes. Aborted tonsilectomy 07/09. Chemo port 07/09. PEG 09/09. Chemo - 3xCisplatin 6xErbitux. RTx35. Tx ended 11/09. CAT scan (clean) 01/10. PET scan (clean) 02/10. Port & PEG removed 04/10.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Dental issues after radiation treatments has been discussed many times here. Unfortunately OC patients dont always have dental professionals who are up to date with all the specifics that go along with treating OC patients. Care must be used when finding the proper dental professional to treat OC patients. Many will use a prostiodontist (dentist who specializes is cancer/trauma patients).
The 20/10 HBO dives is called the Marx Protocol. This has been discussed many times on the forum. Over the years, I must have written art least 50 posts explaining it. Im sorry if you werent made aware of this before. Dental extractions and the Marx Protocol are on a case by case basis. Its questionable weather HBO is an option for patients who currently have cancer. HBO is used to help patients heal. Im a big fan, Ive done a record number of dives and it has worked wonders for me. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: May 2010 Posts: 61 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: May 2010 Posts: 61 | My apologies Christine. It was new information to me from a SPOHNC meeting today, and I'm 5 years post treatment!
I did recently learn about the risk of extraction after a front tooth broke off at the gum line... I'm waiting on a permanent bridge as we speak, after a root canal on the broken tooth.
I do have a well respected oncology dentist, and definitely recommend everyone find one of those!
If I ever have to do HBO, I want my dive certification reinstated! :-)
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Survivor. 55yr male. Dx 07/09 SqCCa Stage IV, Rt Tonsil, Lt&Rt Lymph Nodes. Aborted tonsilectomy 07/09. Chemo port 07/09. PEG 09/09. Chemo - 3xCisplatin 6xErbitux. RTx35. Tx ended 11/09. CAT scan (clean) 01/10. PET scan (clean) 02/10. Port & PEG removed 04/10.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | Even implants may be possible, in some, from a recent article i read, and some don't need HBOT depending on the areas radiated, dosage, type of radiation, where the extraction is, but they usually err on the side of caution and prescribe HBOT. As stared, it's best to consult with an oncology dentist and have your RO involved.
Good luck
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Who do you see, Mike, and did you have a pre-treatment exam?
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
| | | | Joined: May 2010 Posts: 61 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: May 2010 Posts: 61 | I go to Dr. Dennis Abbott in Garland/DFW Texas. He has a private dental oncology practice and also works out of the Baylor Cancer Center in downtown Dallas.
I did have a pre-treatment exam at the cancer center dental office and had two back teeth extracted prior to treatment.
Survivor. 55yr male. Dx 07/09 SqCCa Stage IV, Rt Tonsil, Lt&Rt Lymph Nodes. Aborted tonsilectomy 07/09. Chemo port 07/09. PEG 09/09. Chemo - 3xCisplatin 6xErbitux. RTx35. Tx ended 11/09. CAT scan (clean) 01/10. PET scan (clean) 02/10. Port & PEG removed 04/10.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 | I'm curious about the HBO treatments. I don't have any dental issues at the moment and have always practiced what my dentists have told me is excellent dental hygiene. But you never know.
Specifically, like many of you I've had damage to my ears (in my case the right one) from RT. I can't equalize... that is, my ENT told me not to try it. I'd been a diver so know about how to do it (and there went my diving career...). But I'm concerned that if I ever needed to go under 1 atmosphere I wouldn't be able to, hence HBO wouldn't be an option for me.
Am I assuming correctly that to do any HBO dives you need to clear your ears, aka the Valsalva maneuver?
David 2 SCC of occult origin 1/09 (age 55)| Stage III TXN1M0 | HPV 16+, non-smoker, moderate drinker | Modified radical neck dissection 3/09 | 31 days IMRT finished 6/09 | Hit 15 years all clear in 6/24 | Radiation Fibrosis Syndrome kicked in a few years after treatment and has been progressing since | Prostate cancer diagnosis 10/18
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | They can put tubes in your ears, if needed. I never needed it for my HBOT treatments, although I have decreased hearing, and tinnitus, but once, out of 60 dives, I couldn't equalize, and that did start to hurt. I can equalize usually by just swallowing. We had I stop, start again, at a slower descent.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | [quote=MikeC]I go to Dr. Dennis Abbott in Garland/DFW Texas. He has a private dental oncology practice and also works out of the Baylor Cancer Center in downtown Dallas.
I did have a pre-treatment exam at the cancer center dental office and had two back teeth extracted prior to treatment. [/quote]
Tell Norberto Ed said hello! We are having a survivor presentation in October at the Houston walk October 17, if you are interested, plus a walk here in Dallas next spring if you would like to help.
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | David, dont rule out HBO. Some facilities suggest tubes for all their HBO patients. If your doc ever advises you do HBO, you would have a consult with the HBO center's doctor. You would also have a tech monitor your vitals daily before and after a dive and see the HBO doctor on a weekly basis. At least thats how all the HBO facilities I went to worked.
Ive had tubes put in my ears on two occasions so I could do HBO. Getting tubes put in is no big deal. Sometimes it can even be done right in the ENT's office. I have very small ear canals, like a childs so I always had to get mine done in a hospital as an outpatient procedure. One time I felt fine, like I had nothing done at all but the second time I was pretty sore for that night and the next day.
PS, Mike its not big deal. I was just surprised you hadnt ever seen HBO discussed here as its a fairly common topic. If you use the search box in the upper right you can find just about anything you can think of related to OC on the forum. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | |
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