| Joined: Mar 2015 Posts: 55 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Mar 2015 Posts: 55 | Hi again. Today is my 3rd full day at home, and I was down to sleeping only 2 hours (instead of the 4-6 from Monday). I have to say I'm feeling better every day, enough so that I may attempt to walk Steve the Wonderdog tomorrow -- keeping in mind, of course, Maria's very excellent advice not to overdo things. He's a 90 pound Labrador, so Deb will back me up in the event he sees a rabbit that needs chasing...
My eating is still soft stuff - broth, juices, applesauce, ice cream shakes and the like. I tried some Cream of Rice hot cereal yesterday morning but the little granules felt like they were getting stuck everywhere around the wound and it presented higher-than-normal swallowing pain so I gave up on that. As a consequence I've lost about 5 pounds since the surgery last Friday.
The oxycodone continues to keep the overall pain level manageable, but I am running low and face the choice of whether or not to ask the Doc for more on my follow-up visit this Friday. I have been taking 5mg (down from 10 in the hospital) every 4 hours. I think I *might* be able to get by without it, but worry. What do you guys who've been through this kind of surgery think?
Peter, age 62 at Dx 3/27/15 Dx T2N2aM0 Tonsilar P16+ G3 SCC 4/6/15 Full PET clear except for above 4/24/15 TOLM tonsillectomy/clear margins. Neck dissection 20 nodes (1 w/cancer & extracapsular extension) 5/28/15 PEG in 5/27 - 7/10/15 Daily Radiation to 66 units cumulative; Cisplatin weekly X 7 8/24/15 PEG out 9/24/15 Full body PET - N.E.D. 12/22/15 CT and physical exam. Continued clear. 3/11/16 Physical exam. Continued clear. 7/12/16 One year post-treatment! CT clear. 7/7/17 2 years post - still clear
| | | | Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 26 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 26 | Peter, Welcome to the club nobody in their right mind wants to join! I'm glad you're doing so well. In deciding about asking for more meds, just 'cause you have it doesn't mean you have to take it; it might be good to have some on hand and stretch out the doses as you need it less and less. I have to admit, when I was at that stage, at one point I just said "enough." Early on someone mentioned feeding tubes. During chemo-rad I had one and although I loathed the thing (for no particular reason, it wasn't painful, after I recovered from having it put in, and it wasn't much trouble to maintain although others have had different experiences) there were a few days towards the end of treatment when I was happy to be able to pour a couple of cans of high tech food right into my stomach rather than have to swallow more. I never lost my ability to swallow but at the end of treatment it wasn't fun. Best of luck going forward!
SCC Started in the right tonsil they think, T1N2bM1 HPV+ Lots of nodes involved including some near the carotid - didn't come out during neck dissection Distant Met's - one in the mediastinum, some suspicious stuff in the lungs Radiation 70 Gy in 35 fraction Cisplatin - 3 Stereotactic rad to the mediastinum Clean PET Apr 13 Clean PET Aug 13 Clean PET Dec 13 Clean CT with contrast Mar 14 Clean CT with contrast Sept 14 Clean CT with contrast Feb 15
| | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 | No reason to suffer pain. Ask for refills at a minimum and more if you feel the pain getting any worse. Try protein powders. They have lots of calories and are plenty nutritious too!
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Peter, are you dinking enough? Weight loss that fast after getting out of the hospital could be from dehydration. If you had eaten a lot the day before surgery, I could see it. 16 ounces of water weighs about 1 lb. I drink 24 ounces an hour at the gym to keep up with what I lose. Even driving across town in the Dallas summer burns about 32 ounces in a half hour with the air conditioning on.
The protein powder Don mentioned would help you heal a little quicker and perhaps add calories but it could reduce appetite at the same time. If you go that route, find a powder with maltodextrin and the appetite won't take a hit.
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
| | | | Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 644 Likes: 1 "OCF Down Under, Kiwi" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "OCF Down Under, Kiwi" "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 644 Likes: 1 | Didn't have the same surgery but needed Oxycodone for a couple of weeks after surgery then again during radiotherapy. I had no trouble stopping it. There were no addiction issues.
1996, ovarian cancer surgery + cisplatin and taxol. September, 2007, SCC of left lateral tongue. Excision. October, 2009 recurrence in scar tissue, T1NOMO. Free flap surgery from left wrist - neck dissection. 63 year old New Zealander. No chemo, no RT. February, 2014. New primary in left buccal mucosa. Marginal mandibulectomy, neck dissection, right arm free forearm flap. T1N0M0 but third occurrence and some areas of concern: RT started 8 April and finished 19 May.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | Pain and stress are contributors to delayed wound healing.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Mar 2015 Posts: 55 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Mar 2015 Posts: 55 | Thanks all for the advice about re-upping the oxycodone prescription. I did just that at the 1-week surgical follow-up visit this morning. However -- and this is good news -- my surgeon recommended trying simultaneous dosing of Ibuprofin at 600mg 3x/day and Tylenoal at 1,000mg 4x/day. He told me these work in different ways and so can be taken together, and the combination has been found to be very effective for throat pain like I'm having post-surgery. I'll let you all know how that goes, as this could be useful for others with similar surgery.
The post-surgical pathology results were mixed. On the positive side the nice clear margins they got on the tonsilar tumor mean they should be able to reduce the radition dosing to that area, and thereby lower the probability of long-term swallowing and dry mouth problems. Also, they down-staged me from N2b to N2a because they only found a single cancerous lymph node -- not the three they thought they saw on the scan. The bad news is they detected evidence of extra-capular extension, meaning my follow-on treatment will involve chemotherapy (Cisplatin, weekly) along with the radiation. But I've gotten this far - why not make it even more interesting, huh? With this change and the advice I've gotten here, I think I'm more amenable to a PEG, especially after the swallowing difficulty I've already had from just the surgery.
The tumor board will meet on my case next Wednesday, after which I will have more specifics on their recommendations for my treatment plan. I'll give an update then with any questions I can think of, but in the mean time thank you all so very much for your support and advice.
Peter, age 62 at Dx 3/27/15 Dx T2N2aM0 Tonsilar P16+ G3 SCC 4/6/15 Full PET clear except for above 4/24/15 TOLM tonsillectomy/clear margins. Neck dissection 20 nodes (1 w/cancer & extracapsular extension) 5/28/15 PEG in 5/27 - 7/10/15 Daily Radiation to 66 units cumulative; Cisplatin weekly X 7 8/24/15 PEG out 9/24/15 Full body PET - N.E.D. 12/22/15 CT and physical exam. Continued clear. 3/11/16 Physical exam. Continued clear. 7/12/16 One year post-treatment! CT clear. 7/7/17 2 years post - still clear
| | | | Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 | Hi Pete,
Just remember to do your swallowing exercises religiously while you are on PEG. Dry swallows too.
Gloria She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails... Elizabeth Edwards
Wife to John,dx 10/2012, BOT, HPV+, T3N2MO, RAD 70 gy,Cisplatinx2 , PEG in Dec 6, 2012, dx dvt in both legs after second chemo session, Apr 03/13 NED, July 2013 met to lungs, Phase 1 immunotherapy trial Jan 18/14 to July/14. Taxol/carboplatin July/14. Esophagus re-opened Oct 14. PEG out April 8, 2015. Phase 2 trial of Selinexor April to July 2015. At peace Jan 15, 2016. | | | | Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 945 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 945 | Thanks for the update, Pete! The reduced radiation field will help your recovery and long term side-effects! Maria
CG to husband - SCC Tonsil T1N2M0 HPV+ Never Smoker First symptoms 7/2010, DX 12/2010 TX 40 IRMT (1.8 gy) + 10 Cetuximab PET Scans 6/2011 + 3/2012 clear, 5 year physical exam clear; chest CT's clear of cancer. On thyroid pills. Life is good.
| | | | Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 24 Member | Member Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 24 | Hi Pete,
I had my surgery on Feb 10th and started chemo & rads 4/4 soI am just a little further down the road than you are at this point. I just finished my 4th week of radiation and I highly recommend the PEG tube. I had mine placed while I was in for surgery originally as I needed it while my free flap graft healed. My doctors tell me I am doing great for how far I am with radiation (no sunburn yet but the mouth sure is tender), but I did end up losing 9 lbs last week when I went full time back to the tube. Had to up the volume of Isosource and Liquid Hope (the two liquids I am using), and I am doing much better.
I am having weekly infusions of Cisplatin as well. We skipped last week due to an increase in the tinnitus in my ear. The two main side effects of Cisplatin (so I have been told) are peripheral neuropathy and hearing loss. Since my hearing was compromised just prior to my original surgery (chemical reaction) my doc has been watching for this. So, we took a break and are back for infusion #4 Monday. The good news is that if you have this reaction to Cisplatin, it usually goes away after you are done with the treatment. I figure alive and deaf is better than hearing and well, you know.
I completely agree with Uptown - you need to stay ultra hydrated. Aloe and coconut water help (I get mine at Trader Joes), extra free water (what you drink besides the water you drink with formula), keep swallowing every day. I can only tolerate water now due to the radiation, but I don't stop.I still swallow all my pills with water, but that might be more difficult if more of your throat is treated.
Best wishes to you as your treatment moves forward,
Heather
11/2014 - DX SCC, S3N0M0 Non-smoker/drinker/drugs, no cancer of any kind in family, HPV negative 2/10/15 neck dissection, nodes removed (all clear), moderately differentiated mass removed from cheek & hinge of jaw, free flap graft. Clear margins. Micro infiltration into some of the vascular structures in the local area of tumor. PEG tube 1 week later 4/6/15 - Begin 40 Rads & 4 rounds Cisplatin 5/27/15 - rads & chemo complete. 12/5/15 - PET/CT clear. Watch & wait...
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