| Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 596 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 596 | Hello, friends.
Last week I developed a lot of painful red patches at my partial glossectomy surgical site. It worsened over a few days, so I was seen by my surgical oncologist. He said it looked like a fungal infection brewing under the surface of my tongue. He ordered a two week treatment of Diflucan and I am to see him in follow up in 3 weeks. It took me a few extra days to get started on the med because I have a history of QT interval prolongation and diflucan can make that worse, leading to cardiac issues. So, I had to have a baseline EKG before they would start me on the meds. During the time that I had to wait for the EKG (these things always happen later on a Friday or over the weekend, of course!), the fungal infection did indeed erupt with the white patches, etc. I feel as though I should be getting somewhat better since beginning the med, but when Dan looks at it, he says he cannot see a difference/improvement and I am still in a lot of pain. I may have been to rough on my tongue with trying to eat somewhat regularly, but even eggs and soft vegetables cause more pain. I've been doing balanced protein smoothies for at least one of my meals, but I think I will need to keep it liquid so that my tongue can settle down. This is my third infection since my treatment ended 10/31/12. Does anyone else have this problem? I've been eating healthfully, avoiding complex cards (except for one serving of plain oatmeal with Greek yogurt & fruit in the AM). I will say that even though I tote my water bottle with me at all times, i have awoken with such severe dry mouth that it seems like everything in my mouth is stuck together. We have a cool mist humidifier going constantly. I don't know if the excessive dry mouth was a contributing factor. Getting back to my point, there is part of me that worries that this isn't a fungal infection, but worse. I can't help it. When my tonsils blew up 17 months after having tongue Cancer, it wasn't supposed to be Cancer... Just a fluke event that would require them to come out. My surgeon said that he didn't think it was Cancer. Then I woke up in my hospital room and found out lightning struck twice... Two totally different cancers, each with unknown etiology. I just don't want round 3!
Last edited by Kerri; 03-20-2015 09:01 PM.
37 y/o fem at Dx (23 wks preg @ dx on 3/16/11) SCC L oral tongue (no risk factors) L partial gloss/MND 3/28/11 @ 25 wks preg T1-2N0M0; no rads/chemo Tonsillectomy on 8/6/12 +SCC L tonsil T2-3N1M0 (HPV-) Treated with 35 rads/7 carbo & taxol (Rx ended 10/31/12), but many hospitalizations d/t complications from rx. Various scans since rx ended are NED! Part of genetic study for rare cancers @ MGH. 44 years old now...I wasn't sure I would make it! Hoping for 40 more!
| | | | Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 945 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 945 | Hi, Kerri The combination of irradiated tissue, fungus and dry mouth is not a happy one. Have you asked the doctors if it would be ok for you to try one of the moisturing gels at night? Also - are you mouth breathing at night? Would one of those nasel strip things make if easier to breath through you nose? Maria
Last edited by Maria; 03-21-2015 09:15 AM.
CG to husband - SCC Tonsil T1N2M0 HPV+ Never Smoker First symptoms 7/2010, DX 12/2010 TX 40 IRMT (1.8 gy) + 10 Cetuximab PET Scans 6/2011 + 3/2012 clear, 5 year physical exam clear; chest CT's clear of cancer. On thyroid pills. Life is good.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | Thrush, a fungal infection, is exacerbated by dry mouth, antibiotics. It feeds on sugar, yeast, alcohol and processed foods, so limiting those may help. Candida is normal, and needed throughout the body, but sometimes with a compromised immune system, illness, disease, it gets out of control, and the body is unable to keep the balance. It's easily treatable, but can get out of control otherwise. Sometimes the body develops a resistance to the medication, and needs to be swapped or need a higher dosage. I used 200mg or IV fungal medications, which I had too since it went systemic, including proper oral care, improving the immune system.
Good luck.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 596 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 596 | Thank you, Paul and Marie.
Marie, I agree and the doctor said that radiation damage plays a role in the whole thing.
Paul, I have been eating very healthfully and have been avoiding sugar and too many carbs. Thank you for noting that I could have a resistance to the Diflucan. I had an awful case of this last year and it also went systemic. I am currently taking 200 mg of Diflucan and I'm living on protein smoothies with almond milk, a little extra virgin olive oil, a little fruit, and my pre-biotic that I take for IBS.
Maria, yes, I think that I tend to mouth breathe sometimes and I have a cold on top of all of this, so I'm sure that doesn't help. I haven't been taking anything for the cold because I don't want to dry myself up any more than I already am. The breathe right strips are a good idea! Thanks!
Love in OCF, Kerri
P.S. I'll keep you posted.
37 y/o fem at Dx (23 wks preg @ dx on 3/16/11) SCC L oral tongue (no risk factors) L partial gloss/MND 3/28/11 @ 25 wks preg T1-2N0M0; no rads/chemo Tonsillectomy on 8/6/12 +SCC L tonsil T2-3N1M0 (HPV-) Treated with 35 rads/7 carbo & taxol (Rx ended 10/31/12), but many hospitalizations d/t complications from rx. Various scans since rx ended are NED! Part of genetic study for rare cancers @ MGH. 44 years old now...I wasn't sure I would make it! Hoping for 40 more!
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | If they didn't do so or doesn't improve, they can take a culture. Sometimes it's difficult to differentiate between a fungal, viral or bacterial infection or can be a co-infection too with more than one type.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 | Hi Kerri, good advice above that I can't really add to. Just want you to know I hear you. Thoughts around this disease and all the what ifs are never far away. Trusting that this issue heals quickly, Tammy
Caregiver/advocate to Husband Kris age 59@ diagnosis DX Dec '10 SCC BOT T4aN2bM0 HPV+ve.Cisplatin x3 35 IMRT. PET 6/11 clear. R) level 2-4 neck dissection 8/1/11 to remove residual node - necrotic with NED Feb '12 Ca back.. 3/8/12 total glossectomy/laryngectomy/bilat neck dissection/partial pharyngectomy etc. clear margins. All nodes negative for disease. PEG in. March 2017 - 5 years disease free. Woohoo!
| | | | Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 596 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 596 | Oh, boy!
Paul, unfortunately you have been through way too much of this stuff, but that is what has made you so knowledgeable and such an asset to those on this forum. You are an inspiration.
I guess even when you try to do everything right, this stuff still happens! I'm hoping that this Diflucan will do its job soon!
Enjoy the remainder of the weekend!
37 y/o fem at Dx (23 wks preg @ dx on 3/16/11) SCC L oral tongue (no risk factors) L partial gloss/MND 3/28/11 @ 25 wks preg T1-2N0M0; no rads/chemo Tonsillectomy on 8/6/12 +SCC L tonsil T2-3N1M0 (HPV-) Treated with 35 rads/7 carbo & taxol (Rx ended 10/31/12), but many hospitalizations d/t complications from rx. Various scans since rx ended are NED! Part of genetic study for rare cancers @ MGH. 44 years old now...I wasn't sure I would make it! Hoping for 40 more!
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10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 596 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 596 | Thank you, Tammy. You are always very supportive and sweet.
Paul, I will have been on the Diflucan 200 mg for 1 week, tomorrow.
I have a busy day tomorrow, but I will put a call in to my doc.
Thanks, Kerri
37 y/o fem at Dx (23 wks preg @ dx on 3/16/11) SCC L oral tongue (no risk factors) L partial gloss/MND 3/28/11 @ 25 wks preg T1-2N0M0; no rads/chemo Tonsillectomy on 8/6/12 +SCC L tonsil T2-3N1M0 (HPV-) Treated with 35 rads/7 carbo & taxol (Rx ended 10/31/12), but many hospitalizations d/t complications from rx. Various scans since rx ended are NED! Part of genetic study for rare cancers @ MGH. 44 years old now...I wasn't sure I would make it! Hoping for 40 more!
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,357 Likes: 5 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,357 Likes: 5 | Make calling your doctor a priority. You know you won't rest until you get a full diagnosis and have the right tests done.
Be your own advocate. Explain clearly to your physician about the pain and your fears. They will listen. Be proactive.
Hugs
Donna
Donna,69, SCC L Tongue T2N1MO Stg IV 4/04 w/partial gloss;32 radtx; T2N2M0 Stg IV; R tongue-2nd partial gloss w/graft 10/07; 30 radtx/2 cispl 2/08. 3rd Oral Cancer surgery 1/22 - Stage 1. 2022 surgery eliminated swallowing and bottom left jaw. Now a “Tubie for Life”.no food envy - Thank God! Surviving isn't easy!!!! .Proudly Canadian - YES, UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS WONDERFUL! (Not perfect but definitely WONDERFUL)
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