| Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 40 "OCF Down Under" Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 40 | Can I ask how to reintroduce food. I'm a bit at a loss here.
Simon has lost now 25 kg and simply refuses to eat. Gagging having been the trigger for not eating which then led to getting sick.
Also he developed two mouth ulcers and the mouth wash is burning.
Heike
Working caregiver of my husband (51) Simon
03/2014 oropharyngeal cancer, stage IVB, T2N3M0, HPV 16 + 04/2014 Neck dissection - 39 lymph nodes removed, one node positive greater than 6cm, tumour in tonsil reaching into soft palette 28/04/14 begin of treatment 33 x RADS 66 Gy, 33 x chemo cisplatin 13mg each 29/04/14. pick two lines 12/06/14 finished treatment 09/ 14 Pet scan clear
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Consider getting a Nasal Tube and by pass the mouth for a few weeks. It was a game changer for me post Tx. It's a non surgical 10 minute in office procedure and he can pull it out when he's finshed with it, at least my doc gave me the OK to do it.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 | What is he gagging on, Ensure/Boost or solid food? At a post treatment workshop that I attended, some people started with apple sauce, rice pudding etc but got most of their daily food intake from Ensure/Boost. That was some four or five weeks post treatment. Have you tried rinsing with flat club soda? Our hospital recommends that for mouth sores, too. It worked really well for John. You might want to look for the low sodium club soda at the supermarket.
Gloria She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails... Elizabeth Edwards
Wife to John,dx 10/2012, BOT, HPV+, T3N2MO, RAD 70 gy,Cisplatinx2 , PEG in Dec 6, 2012, dx dvt in both legs after second chemo session, Apr 03/13 NED, July 2013 met to lungs, Phase 1 immunotherapy trial Jan 18/14 to July/14. Taxol/carboplatin July/14. Esophagus re-opened Oct 14. PEG out April 8, 2015. Phase 2 trial of Selinexor April to July 2015. At peace Jan 15, 2016. | | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 | Hello, Not eating is not good but what is worse is not drinking liquid and keeping swallowing working. Dehydration comes on very fast and can send him to the ER in a blink. Keeping the throat and swallowing working is critical too; otherwise there is chance he might be on tube long term.
I know you do the best you can but keep trying.
As to gagging, get some anti nausea meds.
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Ask at the treatment center for a speech pathologist. A barium swallow test should be done to ensure there isnt any physical problems preventing proper swallowing. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 40 "OCF Down Under" Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 40 | Thank you for your suggestions.
The gagging started in week four of treatment. Simon said that when anything touches his tongue he can't handle it and the gagging reflex kicks in. He says swallowing is fine. He has anti nausea meds but the oncologist said that it isn't related to nausea as it is his tongue otherwise he's fine.
He manages to drink 3 glasses of ensure and maybe 3 glasses of water. Definitely not enough but I can't make him do more. Sometimes he tolerates wheet bix but that's it.
He gurgles with soda water to get rid of excess mucous which seems to help. The mouthwash , Curasept he's on, stings and he doesn't tolerate it.
His energy levels are very low. Tired and exhausted all the time.
Heike
Working caregiver of my husband (51) Simon
03/2014 oropharyngeal cancer, stage IVB, T2N3M0, HPV 16 + 04/2014 Neck dissection - 39 lymph nodes removed, one node positive greater than 6cm, tumour in tonsil reaching into soft palette 28/04/14 begin of treatment 33 x RADS 66 Gy, 33 x chemo cisplatin 13mg each 29/04/14. pick two lines 12/06/14 finished treatment 09/ 14 Pet scan clear
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Since rads was just finished 9 days ago, its understandable that he would still feel pretty lousy. It will be a couple more weeks (longer if he doesnt increase his intake) before he begins to feel better. The fatigue can hang around for months.
Its his choice if he wants to get better or continue to feel horrible. The first 3 weeks after finishing rads are the worst ones as the radiation is still working. This is where he runs the highest risk of ending up hospitalized for malnutrition and/or dehydration. Im sure his throat is feeling very painful so I give him alot of credit to still be swallowing 6 glasses of anything.
I hate to say it but you might have to be blunt with him so he understands. Its up to him how quickly he recovers, increase his intake and bounce back quicker or continue doing only 3 glasses of ensure and it will be much longer.
Being a caregiver of a difficult patient must be a very frustrating job. You are holding up very well! Much better than I think I could have done.
Best wishes!
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | Heike - Just a note about the mouthwash. . . . My son went back and forth between two different mouthwashes - Magic Mouthwash and something else that was sold over the counter at the drugstore. When the first mouthwash wasn't working, the second one did. And then when the second one didn't work anymore, he went back to the first one which worked again. So It might be a good idea to check with the doctor about trying a different mouthwash. It helps to numb the mouth for a few minutes so that swallowing can be less painful. For my son, the two weeks after treatment ended were absolutely the worst with not wanting to drink or eat and being so very tired, sleeping a lot, to the point where I would often check to see if he was still breathing. But slowly, after the two week mark, he began to improve and each little improvement was celebrated because I could then see the light at the end of the tunnel. I had to record all his intake of food and water and when he argued about not wanting to drink, I would point to the chart on the refrigerator so he could see for himself that he hadn't had the daily quota of liquids. It's so hard to see someone you love suffering so, and sometimes you have to try different things before something works. It does get better so just hang in there.
Anne-Marie CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
| | | | Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 | Using a Waterpik on the lowest setting with the tongue scraper attachment, warm water and a bit of the mouthwash in it works very well too for getting rid of the mucous.
Gloria She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails... Elizabeth Edwards
Wife to John,dx 10/2012, BOT, HPV+, T3N2MO, RAD 70 gy,Cisplatinx2 , PEG in Dec 6, 2012, dx dvt in both legs after second chemo session, Apr 03/13 NED, July 2013 met to lungs, Phase 1 immunotherapy trial Jan 18/14 to July/14. Taxol/carboplatin July/14. Esophagus re-opened Oct 14. PEG out April 8, 2015. Phase 2 trial of Selinexor April to July 2015. At peace Jan 15, 2016. | | | | Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 40 "OCF Down Under" Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP "OCF Down Under" Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 40 | Gloria what is a waterpik?
Heike
Working caregiver of my husband (51) Simon
03/2014 oropharyngeal cancer, stage IVB, T2N3M0, HPV 16 + 04/2014 Neck dissection - 39 lymph nodes removed, one node positive greater than 6cm, tumour in tonsil reaching into soft palette 28/04/14 begin of treatment 33 x RADS 66 Gy, 33 x chemo cisplatin 13mg each 29/04/14. pick two lines 12/06/14 finished treatment 09/ 14 Pet scan clear
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