| Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 75 Likes: 2 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 75 Likes: 2 | Everywhere I am reading it states don't pull the bottom teeth, I am finally in a multi chamber HBO and am so confused by all the things I read I don't know if I want to go through pulling out 5 bottom teeth, plus being allergic to most antibiotics. Can anyone give me some solid advice, I am hurting and confused, thanks
SCC 2005 floor of mouth and neck disection SCC 2009 partial rt tongue RAD PEG 2009 20 HBO treatments following surgery of three teeth and 10 more HBO to follow 2015 Diced food diet due to weak muscles long term effects of radiation 2018 Radiation Fibrosis of the jaw and neck, vocal cord dysfunction
| | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 | Hello,
Don't be confused. HBO is not so uncommon when teeth are being extracted post radiation. HBO is done to minimize the potential for complications with the extraction. The HBO enables the bone to heal better. I've not been through it so others who have can chime in.
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 | I have had 4 molars removed post radiation so far. The first 2 (top) were not at the "epicenter" of the radiation. The last 2 were on the bottom and one of them broke off at the gum line. All of these were removed without HBO, although I had that too. The last 2 were taken out just this year in one sitting. My dentist knows my medical history and HBO was discussed. We felt that the gum condition and blood supply was adequate�. and you are extra careful re infection (antibiotics) and make sure a nice blood clot forms.
I just wished there was a reliable test to figure out if you actually need HBO or not!? Does anybody have any input on this.
With 5 teeth I would go for HBO as well, unless they are out of the radiation field. Your RO should be able to advise you. Also, you want a dentist who is experienced to treat OC patients. Hope this helps a little.
Partial glossectomy (25%) anterior tongue. 4/6/07/. IMRT start @5/24/07 (3x) Erbitux start/end@ 5/24/07. IMRT wider field (30x) start 6/5/07. Weekly cisplatin (2x30mg/m2), then weekly carbo- (5x180mg/m2). End of Tx 19 July 07.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | An option, if possible, to having tooth extractions is root canal, so you don't need HBOT, and no injury that may cause ORN. For guys, a quick indicator may be if you are able to to grow facial hair where teeth need extraction it may be ok, if not, HBOT may be needed. It also depends how far out you are from radiation. All my teeth are down to the gum lines, and my hospital is pro HBOT, so have to see about it soon, again. The reason the bottom teeth may be mentioned is ORN mostly occurs in the mandible, and understand ORN, with IMRT, is low, maybe 3%, but I'm not taking any chances, and following my doctor's advise. I had too much radiation anyway.
All the best.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 247 Likes: 1 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 247 Likes: 1 | I'll try to summarize the advice we were given from several sources, including a dental consult at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston with an oral surgeon familiar with post rad issues. My husband has had several root canals and one wisdom tooth extracted post radiation. All were pretty much in full radiation field.
msweet55: I do not believe there is one perfect answer, but you do need a plan. I understand that you were originally treated in Boston (MO at Dana-Farber, is that right)? With access to the medical and dental community there, I do not understand how you still do not have a plan. I understand that this is very scary. I was a wreck. What advice and options have you been given? There are only a few ways to go with this.
- only extract if no other option.
- some experts recommend to cut down teeth at the gum line. I think the teeth then have a root canal that removes the blood supply and nerves in them. The tooth or the remaining roots become ankylosed into the bone and are dead, but not a problem any longer.
- HBOT is controversial and not yet proven. Our RO recommended and ordered it. Oral surgeon put it this way, if you don't do the HBOT and develop ORN, you'll always question your decision. Two oral surgeons noted that they can see a better blood supply after HBOT.
- obviously, antibiotics prior to extraction with frequent post extraction healing checks. This should not be treated as a routine extraction.
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CG to husband, dx @ age 65, nonsmoker/social drinker. Dx 5/08 SCC Stage IV, BOT T1N2aM0. 33 IMRT - completed 9/12/08. Induction Chemo (Cisplatin, Taxotere & 5FU), plus concurrent Cisplatin. 1/09 PEG removed; 5/09 neg PET/CT; 5/10 PET/CT NED Dental extraction & HBOT 2013; ORN 2014; Debridement/Tissue Transfer & HBOT 2016
| | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,293 Likes: 1 | Not facing an extraction but now one year post, I just had a root canal and a retreat of an existing root canal done last week.
From what I know about ORN the root canals seemed safe without any HBOT. Other than some slight nerve pain on the one tooth, the other had zero pain, and a bit of puffiness I was fine.
One thing worth mentioning is that if you have any infection related side effect take the antibiotics. Even though my infection was pretty mild and I watched it carefully as it went away after a few days, my dentist said later for any oral cancer patient to take the antibiotics at the most minimal sign of infection.
It did not click at the time that an infection below the gum can be the cause for potential bone issues. How stupid it did not click but I was more focused on avoiding antibiotics unless really necessary. If ever I encounter even the slightest infection in the gum/bone area I'll be heading to the dentist in a flash! Don
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 | Actually, this is the one time I take antibiotics prophylactically�. just make sure that you are a) not allergic to it and b) you complete the full regimen.
Partial glossectomy (25%) anterior tongue. 4/6/07/. IMRT start @5/24/07 (3x) Erbitux start/end@ 5/24/07. IMRT wider field (30x) start 6/5/07. Weekly cisplatin (2x30mg/m2), then weekly carbo- (5x180mg/m2). End of Tx 19 July 07.
| | | | Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 75 Likes: 2 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 75 Likes: 2 | Hi everyone, well I finished my HBO and surgery did not get scheduled until June 20 three weeks out of HBO, I am scared to death and want to back down, I have an infection but the surgeon did not offer an antibiotic until he goes in and see the condition of my teeth and jaw. I wish I didn't have to do this
SCC 2005 floor of mouth and neck disection SCC 2009 partial rt tongue RAD PEG 2009 20 HBO treatments following surgery of three teeth and 10 more HBO to follow 2015 Diced food diet due to weak muscles long term effects of radiation 2018 Radiation Fibrosis of the jaw and neck, vocal cord dysfunction
| | | | Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 247 Likes: 1 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 247 Likes: 1 | Hi msweet55,
I am relieved to hear that you were able to complete HBOT - that is great!
Three weeks out of HBO is not a problem. The beneficial effects last a long time (some say up to 5 years).
Best of luck with your surgery. Please let us know how you make out.
Lottie
CG to husband, dx @ age 65, nonsmoker/social drinker. Dx 5/08 SCC Stage IV, BOT T1N2aM0. 33 IMRT - completed 9/12/08. Induction Chemo (Cisplatin, Taxotere & 5FU), plus concurrent Cisplatin. 1/09 PEG removed; 5/09 neg PET/CT; 5/10 PET/CT NED Dental extraction & HBOT 2013; ORN 2014; Debridement/Tissue Transfer & HBOT 2016
| | | | Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 6 Member | Member Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 6 | Hi, i had same thing i am 6 months out of HBO and one of my teeth fell out two days ago, it left a huge hole but its almost healed now and i know that's thanks to the HBO ...
Debz
Dx SCC stage 4,on 10/9/2007 9/24/2007 started 7 weeks radiation 3 rounds of cisplatin given at week 1 week 4 week 7 Pet scans show cancer free no saliva no taste 11/11/11 started having BP issues, no diagnosis yet suspect Baroreflex Failure 2/10/2014 12 teeth removed HBO x60 healed well except for 2 sides April 2014 started to get saliva back 8/30/2014 DX osteoradionecrosis of the jaw waiting on surgery
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