| Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | OP Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 | Howdy gang, I'm just noticing this category for the first time.
I understand that chemotherapy-induced peripheral neuropathy (PN) isn't all that uncommon. However I've been diagnosed with what the neurologist calls Progressive Polyneuropathy (sensory only) and I only had surgery and radiation. This has been getting steadily worse for the last 18 months-2 years, beginning maybe 2 1/2 years after the end of rads. Initially, a year ago, he didn't find anything when he did the nerve conduction studies (NCS). Now, a month ago, he came up with a firm diagnosis. I also have Raynaud's Phenomenon, which is a kind of mysterious but not all that uncommon circulation issue. As far as western medicine goes at any event, the two aren't related.
Symptoms: numbness and tingling in both hands and numbness along the tops of my forearms which seems to be extending north. The tingling usually radiates up the arms and sometimes onto my back. Sometimes it's not too bad. But the numbness is constant and makes it very difficult to do small things - button buttons, turn pages, tie shoes, etc. etc. I make very certain I'm gripping things like glasses of water carefully so I don't drop them. And I do drop things if I'm not paying attention. There is no pain associated with it. I also note some of the same symptoms in my feet, but they're not as strong.
The neurologist says there's nothing he can give me since I'm not in pain. So I guess things like Gabapentin wouldn't do much for me. Since it's idiopathic he doesn't really have anything else to say about it.
Yesterday I went to an endocrinologist, and he thinks my thyroid functions look low and, after he gets blood work back, I'm assuming will likely up the Synthroid I take from its current 100 mcg. Beyond that I have no idea what he'll suggest. I also visited a rheumotologist, this for the Raynaud's, and he didn't have anything to offer on the PN.
Been doing acupuncture for the last couple of months on a what the hell basis. No change. Also am taking the various supplements that are recommended for nerve issues - there's a great neural issue web forum I discovered and the people there are very helpful, as everyone is here.
So: anybody identify with any of this? Any suggestions for what else I might consider? Oh, I did do some bio and neurofeedback over the summer, this for the Raynaud's, and didn't see any improvement.
Thanks, all.
David 2 SCC of occult origin 1/09 (age 55)| Stage III TXN1M0 | HPV 16+, non-smoker, moderate drinker | Modified radical neck dissection 3/09 | 31 days IMRT finished 6/09 | Hit 15 years all clear in 6/24 | Radiation Fibrosis Syndrome kicked in a few years after treatment and has been progressing since | Prostate cancer diagnosis 10/18
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | I have neuropathy, there are 20 different types, most likely from chemo, CIPN, chemo induced peripheral neuropathy, but other factors are involved like underlying medical conditions making one susceptible sooner than later to neuropathy. Certain medications, like antibiotics can cause neuropathy, as well as surgery, radiation, being bed ridden, and don't know if the cause can ever really be determined. Mine was pretty bad causing paralysis of the leg, feet, toes, and took a long time to regain their use, and still have some paralysus to this date four years latet. I tried the various meds, Gabapentin, lyrica, which doesn't help much, the B vitamins, electrical stimulation to no avail. Did the tests only to show I have nerve disruption, so that was a waste. I just live with it now, 24/7, sometimes taking a pain pill to get to sleep. Certain weather like humidity, rain seems to aggravate it, and when I eat Chinese food or an occasional beer, it seems worse or is just a coincidence. I guess it's a hit or mis what therapies may work. Good luck.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | OP Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 | Paul, thanks for your response and I'm sorry you're having to deal with this on top of all your other ailments. I do realize that PN can come from various sources. In addition to lots of B12 and some limited B6 I'm also taking L Carnitine and Alpha Lipoic Acid. Figure those can't hurt.
I'll let you know what the endocrine guy says after I get the blood results.
David 2 SCC of occult origin 1/09 (age 55)| Stage III TXN1M0 | HPV 16+, non-smoker, moderate drinker | Modified radical neck dissection 3/09 | 31 days IMRT finished 6/09 | Hit 15 years all clear in 6/24 | Radiation Fibrosis Syndrome kicked in a few years after treatment and has been progressing since | Prostate cancer diagnosis 10/18
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | I took those too, vitamin C. See what works.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | David, I had significant neuropathy problems. Numbness in big areas of the body until I had almost no feeling in half my torso and most of my lower body along with many months of tingling in the hands, feet, legs, face, neck.
I had lots of blood work and found almost no B-1 which can cause permanent nerve damage. I also used a blend of Chinese/Chiropractor. I call them neurological chiropractors and the technique they use is similar to acupressure only directed to specific nerve and muscle problems. I am still amazed they can isolate and eliminate almost any pain I have had this year. The technique is called Active Release Technique. You can google it and there is a find provider link.
Anyone with a lot of radiation can experience very random things that are often misdiagnosed primarily because no real studies have been done because of the random nature of late effects of radiation. I have had them chase my pituitary, thalamus, thyroid and even my testicles trying to chase hormone loop imbalances. If the nerve damage doesn't get you, the vascular restrictions and associated problems will.
Ed
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
| | | | Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | OP Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409 | Thanks, Ed. So sorry to read about everything you're going through. As with Paul, you surely don't deserve it.
It happens that the acupuncturist I've been going to (with no results so far I might add) is also a chiropractor and is on the list of those who practice the Active Release Technique here in LA. I'll ask her about it when I go in on Friday, and in fact she mentioned today that she was interested in trying some chiropractic on me then. I've always kind of resisted chiro for various reasons. But I'm willing to give it a shot. Unlike you I don't have any pain associated with my PN. We shall see!
I appreciate your taking the time to write.
David 2 SCC of occult origin 1/09 (age 55)| Stage III TXN1M0 | HPV 16+, non-smoker, moderate drinker | Modified radical neck dissection 3/09 | 31 days IMRT finished 6/09 | Hit 15 years all clear in 6/24 | Radiation Fibrosis Syndrome kicked in a few years after treatment and has been progressing since | Prostate cancer diagnosis 10/18
| | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Thank you David.
I am surprised she hasn't mentioned ART to you. I am curious if your scalenes are bound up too. That would explain the tingling and maybe numbness. I was diagnosed with polyneuropathies in 2009 or so.
I don't go to Chirpractors that like to adjust bones and joints. ART is based more on muscle work to free up joints. Different way to look at it.
Good luck and let us know how the treatment is on Friday. She should go right to the neck and feel problems.
Ed
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
| | | | Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 144 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 144 | Sorry to hear about your polyneuropathy problems. As Paul has mentioned Neuropathy is varied, mine is due to Protease Inhibitors (namely Reyataz/atazanavir). I mention this because I seem to remember some time ago about a treatment for neuropathy associated with HIV+. I couldn't take it for reasons I cannot recall at the moment. Perhaps a little investigation may shed some light. I do not think that it worked like lyrica or gabapentin. Just a shot in the dark. Perhaps it may have an active ingredient that may help you.( Long shot) And Hello Ed and Paul
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| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 4 | Hi Shawn. Hope you enjoyed the holidays as best you can.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 |
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
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